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lula
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Low Numbers in Band

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Sigh, how to begin? Our numbers in band are soooo low. :cry: We have probably 25 (?) members. In my flute section alone we have 5 flutes and I believe there'll be at least at 7 next marching season. I want the numbers of members in our band to grow but I have no ideas. Students in our band tend generally tend to drop out for two reasons: 1. The band director or 2. Getting made fun of. We lost one of our best snare drummers because of reason 2 and lost a quad player from reason 1.

As section leader, I realize that my section performs admirably well, but I've noticed that some of the other members don't even try anymore. :evil:

What I'm asking you all for is any idea on how to get our band program up and running again. There will be an 8th grade night this coming Thursday and I have to work at the band exhibit. Anyone have any ideas of how I could draw the attention of these incoming freshmen? :?

Thanks in advance.
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lula wrote:Sigh, how to begin? Our numbers in band are soooo low. :cry: We have probably 25 (?) members. In my flute section alone we have 5 flutes and I believe there'll be at least at 7 next marching season. I want the numbers of members in our band to grow but I have no ideas. Students in our band tend generally tend to drop out for two reasons: 1. The band director or 2. Getting made fun of. We lost one of our best snare drummers because of reason 2 and lost a quad player from reason 1.

As section leader, I realize that my section performs admirably well, but I've noticed that some of the other members don't even try anymore. :evil:

What I'm asking you all for is any idea on how to get our band program up and running again. There will be an 8th grade night this coming Thursday and I have to work at the band exhibit. Anyone have any ideas of how I could draw the attention of these incoming freshmen? :?

Thanks in advance.
-Lula
Around here(and in LA where I grew up), bands have all but disappeared in the "hood" schools. When I was coming up, it use to be cool to play an instrument and be in a band. These days, it is cooler to mix turntables, or sample. Worse, play video games. Another problem is the band directors. They were bad enough when I was growing up, not they have gotten that much worse as a whole. Most band directors are not even full time anymore, or teach at more than one school. Then comes the price of instruments and lessons. When I was growing up, the school had instruments to supply the students. Those days are gone as well. Even as instruments get cheaper, lessons are not.

So what is the solution?

If you wish to increase the size of your section, create some sort of social side line like a flute section club to.....

Socialize and do activities. Come up with custom shirts/jackets for the section even. Take pictures...etc...
Turn your section into its own group/flute ensemble. Playing non-band stuff of course.
Plan mentoring sessions for the younger players to help them out. See if some local pro/college players will mentor the section.

You know, something someone would want to be a part of a clique!

This is the kind of things we did in the old days. It was cool to be seen, and be in a group. Of course, if you were the best group, or the best section, that was just icing on the cake. Everyone wanted to be in your group/section, and were expected to be up to par...or get there. We did not have a club, per se, but all of the band people hung out together, played jam session at lunch, etc...

It is too bad you had to be a section leader in this day and time. Also, your band teacher sounds like a dud, and has little interest in promoting a better team environment. However, if you make the section fun, and give it some social value, you will get members.

I hope this will give you some ideas. Just think, if you do this right, this could be a tradition for generations!

Good luck

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Re: Low Numbers in Band

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Also keep in mind that sometimes, being in a smaller band is not a bad thing. Yes, it does limit what you can play, but it does not limit you from excellence.

I work with a band program for home school and private school students. We have about 15 families involved which means our three classes are pretty small. However, our concert band (second and third year players) only has enough members to cover instrumentation and a few double on different instruments. Most of them take private lessons and they are all very accomplished musicians. Since the band is small, they each have to be able to carry their own parts. No one can hide :) Also, because they are accomplished, they are very proud of what they can do. When I have worked with bigger bands, I have noticed that only about half of the students really worked, and therefore, only about half really took pride in the band itself.

I agree with Phineas. You have to "sell" the section to students. One way of doing this is to strive for excellence. Maybe look into working on a flute ensemble piece to present to the incoming freshmen to show off your abilities. You may even be able to get the 8th graders involved in the group this semester. Pick something easy that sounds good. Maybe you could present it at the 8th grade concert or something like that.

If the students don't see the value in being a part of something fun and positive, you really don't need them anyway. Just something to think about. My 10th and 11th grade years in HS we only had three flutes in marching band (a band of about 40) and we did quite well both as a section and as a band, making it to state competition for the first time in our school's history. I was section leader for both of these years. My senior year, we were able to recruit more players (up from 3 to 7) and honestly, the three of us were still carrying the section. I had far more fun being section leader for 3 players who cared than for 7.

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Phineas! What a wonderful idea for custom T-shirts!!!! I've emailed our assistant band director about them and I'm eager to hear her response. I would love to do a flute ensemble but then there would be the fact that we would need someone to direct us...I mentioned flute ensemble once upon a time to our band director and he considered it and it's about time I bring it up again. What would be AMAZING is maybe if we got everything together we could play at the talent show...maybe that would show that band IS cool and fun. Or if we couldn't get the ensemble together on time our principal would let us play at an assembly. Our school has been known for us to have 15 minutes assemblies when a special group wishes to preform.

Fluttiegirl I realize that bigger bands aren't always better...but if our program gets any smaller, the school board will want to cut it out completely...I just really want kids to take interest in what we do.

Thank you for the replies and PLEASE keep the advice and ideas coming.
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Phineas gave some really great ideas about making the section like a "club". I lead my flute section in marching band these past two years of high school (I'm a senior now, and so sad it's over). And my flutes and I also did the custom T-shirt thing that you liked. Here's my suggestion: In stead of just paying someone to make them, just buy some plain shirts and fabric paint and have a flute get together to make them yourselves! That's what we did, and it was so much fun. We'd just hang out in the band room after school on a Friday before a football game, and then go out to dinner before the game. It gave us a great time to bond outside of band. I definitely agree that you need to make an effort to make the flutes more than just a band section. My band is also small, so this past year there were only five of us in the section, and we all got really close.

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The good news is my assistant band director loved the T-shirt idea; in fact she liked it so much she wants every section to create their own design...AND I've decided for the flutes we'll throw in a cute quote. My favorite is : When in doubt...trill. (we've had to do that a time or two :lol: )

I want my flute section to be our own little family and for the most part, we are. I know sectionals at camp will be even more fun because I'd like us to spend more time together as our own group. My flutes work so hard for me and I'm ridiculously proud of them because they are each talented in their own way. Next marching season will be even more fun because I'll be able to drive at least two or more people so I guess we could go out to eat together..... and I'm planning on a lot more group time.

But if anyone has any more ideas on how to recruit more band members, I would be glad for the suggestions. Thanks again!
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Ask your director if you can start a Facebook group page for your band. Take a look at the Facebook pages of some other school bands to see what they have done:

http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws ... chool+band

You can post pictures of the band, describe the band's accomplishments, discuss fun things the band has done, is doing, or is going to do, etc. If some of your band members make district or all-state band, post it. Having a fund raising car wash? Post it to let everyone know and then afterward, post photos! Have an after-school social event related to the band? Post it. Get the idea?

Not everything posted there has to be about the band itself but anything the band members are doing as a group or even individually. Use it to promote how much fun band members have. Facebook is a great way to get your band some free publicity and at the same time associate it with popular social networking.

You might post some videos of your band on Facebook or even YouTube, too!
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I remember in my HS band we were very clique-y, but not in a bad way. Your section sort of became your family and then the people in your same year were good friends too. All of the section leaders were really good friends (and in my case, we still are good friends!) for example. Every section was like a club of sorts in the sense that we had special traditions. The flute section for example would have a party on the Friday night before our first competition. We would take an old pair of jeans, fabric paint, and any wide variety of things like bells, mirrors, etc.... to make 'spirit' jeans. We would wear them to our competitions. I personally never made spirit jeans being a buy, but I had shirts and hats and things.

Our section also had a few traditions for competitions. Our band would pray just before we went on field and instead of holding hands, our section would hold pinkies. We would immediately round up afterwards and do a section huddle and shout this line from Metallica's song: "Give me fuel give me fire give me that which I desire!"

It was great fun. Unfortunately I saw the end of these traditions. Most of these traditions were part of the fact that as a band we literally felt like an extended family. Our director was not only a phenomenal musician, she was a master at squeezing pennies out of nowhere (we were REALLY REALLY POOR as a band, so poor that we risked being shut down every year without the 'Save the Music' foundation). She also just had this way of being really personal and making you feel loved. She was awesome in every way. My Junior year in high school she rounded us all up in February and told us that she was retiring early because her family needed her. (Her granddaughter has severe mental and physical issues, and her daughter needed help). We all cried, but we knew it was for the best. Her replacement was honestly a lemon. I've gotten to know him after I graduated and I like him as a person, but as a director he was a total dud. The traditions stopped within two years of his appointment, the group cohesion suffered and within two years the band went from 75 members to 25 members.

So a lot of this problem that you are facing is from this type of problem I think. I see it in my school right now. The students are negative because the faculty are negative, and the faculty are negative because the students are negative. It's a vicious cycle. If you can undo this by trying to do the reverse of what happened to my band, then it may help. You probably will graduate before you see big changes, but it's certainly possible. I myself have turned groups around too, and it's tough.

I am the President of my music fraternity at my school (Delta Omicron). When I joined there were four people in my membership class. There were three people already in it, and they were leaving at the end of the semester (graduating/transferring). Total membership turnover in a semester. We had absolutely no connections to our past members to know our chapter history, chapter traditions, or frankly... anything about what our fraternity was supposed to be. Our membership class didn't really know each other that well, but we got along really well, and the fraternity was important to us. I was elected chapter President and membership, group cohesion, and relationships with other fraternities were my main goals for improvement. I did everything that I've mentioned here (and above). I've started traditions (families of big bro/sister and little bro/sister, family colors, group outings, group service activities (like serving dinner at the Ronald McDonald House, started activities that increase our bonds of friendship, and rebuilt the fraternity from the ground up. I've worked with the other music fraternities (who honestly tried to squish us out of existence... **didn't want competition, prejudice etc.**). I graduate in May and in the past two years that I have been President we have more than tripled in membership, become the second largest music fraternity in the university, gotten our name out in the community, earned respect from the other fraternities and have become very close friends. It makes me sad to know that I'm leaving them now, but it also makes me happy to know that I was the catalyst for pulling this group out of the grave.

It's all about personal dedication, motivation, self discipline, and just... putting in a genuine effort for the benefit of the group. You might not be around when things take root and cause the group to truly blossom (if it does at all). I worked very hard and I'm lucky to see my fraternity blossom the way it has. In terms of 'family' relationships I am so happy that I am going to be able to initiate my Great-Grand Little this April. Most members don't get to see that many generations of their 'family.' Ironically everyone in my family are flute players (four generations) and it's been dubbed the 'flute dynasty.' :)

Anyway. Sorry for the long rambling post. I just have had a lot of time to think on this topic over the past several years. I thought I would share my experiences.

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First, 25, low numbers?? damnit. We're 32 when everyone's at practise! :P
as for the requiting, we have the same problem. But in the part of Norway where I live we don't really have band in school.
My town has two bands, one for kids/teens(mainly beginners), and one consisting of older teens and grownups that have played for a while :)
So we co-operate one the requiting front, because their players will eventually start in HMF (my band), and we have a day once a semester, where we play some songs, kids can try instruments, uniforms, sit in on a practisesession, we tell fun stories from different events and such, eat cake, laugh, have fun and talk to the kids and parents (even our conductor is on his best behavior, and that a good thing! Because, honestly, he even scares me.... :p ). We they youthband got 12 new musicians in January thanks to that day! :) so we've gotta be doing something right! :P

Other than that we're planning a Disney-themed concert that we're gonna invite the local schools to attend, just so the kids get to see that it's just not christmasconcerts and marching on the 17th of may (Norway's national day) :)

So yeah, best advice I've got: make sure people notice you, and have fun doing it! People will notice and reconsider their "uhh.. band, isn't that kinda lame?"-attitude :)
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Another idea that sparks a lot of interest is playing in public places (not at your school). For example, a bunch of kids get together on Friday nights in our small town and play music/dance on the street corner. People in the town love it and the kids who do it always look like they are having a blast. Maybe you guys could even take donations to buy better stands tunes- things that your audience might want to hear rather than "The Final Countdown" or "Louie Louie." ;)

You have to make the amount of work and the amount of fun equal each other (or at least get close).

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