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LaDanseuse
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Music selection

Post by LaDanseuse »

As the school year approahes, I'm selecting music for various audtions. One audition simply requires a piece demonstrating technicality and musicality.

Well... my technique needs working on, though it's not totally hopeless :roll: , but I do have pretty good tone and musicality. So to all the teachers, auditioners, or people know good advice :) , should I play to my strengths and select a piece that is not as technical but exemplifies my qualities, or should I chose a more technical piece but one that compromises my tone?

MeLizzard
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Post by MeLizzard »

Choose a piece that highlights your best characteristics, and somewhat diguises your weaker elements. Baroque pieces are nice for auditions, not demanding 20th-century technique, but must be very clean and crisp. Would Syrinx, a movement of a Bach sonata, or the first movement of the Hindemith sonata be good for you? You have a teacher to help with your selection? The right piece can make all the difference. I acquired a student a couple years ago whose objective was "get first chair in all-state band". As she was only beginning flute study as a senior, I was highly sceptical. However, she had studied piano for 12 years and played in her school band (sometimes can be more harmful than helpful, but ok in this instance) from elementary school. She was (is) a wonderful musician, now a college piano and organ major. In our state, the audition consists of two required etudes (Selected Studies book), a solo of your choice, scales, and sightreading. In any state, aiming for a top seat would demand the most challenging solo you can play WELL. We sifted through a pile of note-y, beautiful things, trying to match her attributes with the best piece to display them. She fell in love with Cyril Scott's Scotch Pastoral, a piece I don't really use much, but which is beautiful. And parts have lots of notes (she's very good with Lots of Notes) Unfortunately, rich tone and super-long phrases are not her strength. We finally chose the first movement of the Ibert concerto--jam-packed with notes, and opportunities for quick catch breaths, and no big, long, lush phrases to highlight thinner tone. She got second chair. Her musicianship, not her actual flute-playing (although fingers were GREAT!), really boosted her score. Can you give more specific information, like the pieces you've already played?

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Post by auletes83 »

Audition committees don't like being lied to, and they'll be able to tell your level of technique no matter how difficult the piece in question is. They say they want one that displays both technique and musical ability, so give them what they want. Any of the French ~concours~ pieces from the Paris Conservatory's golden age will suffice, since most of them have a slow, musical opening followed by a longer, faster, technical second section. I mean pieces like the Faure _Fantaisie_, the Gaubert _Nocturne and Allegro Scherzando, the Enesco _Cantabile and Presto_, and the like. Good luck at your auditions: as long as you're thoroughly prepared, you'll do great!

May I also suggest that you start a regular technique regimen, consisting of exercises from books like Taffanel & Gaubert, Trevor Wye volume 6, and Julius Baker?
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LaDanseuse
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Post by LaDanseuse »

Thanks for the replies!

MeLizzard - I am currently looking at about the first quarter of Gaubert's Fantaisie (I've the book Flute Music by French Composures), since I'm sure my director doesn't have the time to sit through the entire piece! It explores all three octaves, so I can show off my range, and I don't find the technique terribly demanding, though it's still there. Are you familiar with this piece? If so, what would you suggest the tempo to be? I'm very bad at setting tempos!

In addition to the French music book, I also have Robert Cavally's 24 Short Concert pieces. If I were to do a piece from there, it would be the Minuet and Dance of the Blessed Spirits, but the piece isn't very technically challenging.

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I'll assume auletes wasn't implying my students or I regularly lie to auditors. :) I likewise didn't mean to imply my student was an inferior flutist, just that I felt her tone needed much more work (apparently someone else didn't agree), and I was a little surprised she placed so well. I was simply suggesting that you match your best characteristics with a piece that most fully showcases them, while avoiding the kinds of pieces which prominently feature things with which you're currently less-pleased :oops: , while continuing to practice, of course. An astute listener will always be able to discern elements at which you're strong, as well as the traits of your playing which merit more thorough practice. He or she may, however, give you credit for choosing the right kind of piece for YOU. The suggestion to develop a good technichal practice routine is certaily sound; how are you practicing technique now? Non-flutist band directors are often dazzled :shock: by young players who can play a lot of notes, while not realizing his or her technique is really undisciplined (theoretically, doesn't yet exist :wink: ), and might score low marks in an objective audition outide of school. ((Some auditions have turned into just technique contests, unfortunately, because it's the one element of playing which is basically objective and measurable.)) This was me 20 years ago--all the ability, none of the instruction/discipline. My playing really took off later, in college, working with a real flutist and studying real flute etudes and exercises. If you're attempting pieces from the French book, you must read well, and have the potential to develop good technique or play many notes well. However, unchanneled, undisciplined technique can make these pieces frustrating to young players...though I have discovered I can use these pieces to teach certain elements of technique. A few students have expressed interest in this book before I thought they were ready, but, a couple times, I've said yes, on the condition we treat the piece, in one respect, like a big collection of technical exercises. I was reluctant to try this because I was worried the musical enjoyment would rapidly drain away, but the students in question were singularly focused, and very persistent, and were later able to apply their newly-refined technique and practice habits to other pieces. The Gaubert would be good for an audition, but I think it's one of the tougher pieces in the book. I feel its starting tempo as quarter note somewhere in the low sixties. (This is for school?) Chaminade is done to death, so I'd maybe avoid that one--even non-flutists are pretty familiar/tired of this one, though it's attractive. Have you done the Faure Fantasie yet? Its intro-slow section is much shorter than some, allowing you to show two tempos and styles in a little less time. A couple of my students have been perversly attracted to the Louis Ganne Andante et Scherzo. Its first two pages combine a tranquil melodic line with lightly-articulated sixteenths (again, quarter note in the sixties, to start) and some truly challenging trills, for many players. Musicality is certainly important to string it all together nicely. The Gaubert Nocturne is good, too, and allows you to show off diverse rhythmic-reading skills. And I love the last piece, the Taffanel, but it stays around the mid-range of the flute during much of the slow movement, and a solid knowledge of compound meters is critical. The Scherzettino is cute, and, again, stays in a moderate range, but should be played pretty fast (and clean!). The Cavally book I like, but it's in my studio and I'm home, and I'm drawing a total blank regarding its contents, argg! I haven't been using it much of late, as I've got several beginner-type students, and a few very advanced, and, strangely enough, that intermediate level is kinda missing from my life right now. The Bach excerpt is nice, from the B minor suite--Badinerie is great if you're got the clean fingers and articulation, and the Faure Sicilienne, but that's not very technical at all. Keep us posted!

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Post by auletes83 »

MeLizzard--
I realized that in my previous message I came off rather severely, and I apologize: it was not at all my intention to downplay your credibility as a teacher, or to imply that you're a liar. It's just that, while I agree that an audtion should be more than a tecnique contest, I really hate hearing pieces like the Faure Sicilienne and the Gaubert Madrigal at auditions where young flutists are actually expecting themselves to be taken seriously! It seems like an insult to the judges not to play something more demanding than that, or at least alongside it. Wouldn't you agree?

LaDanseuse--
If you haven't yet found a piece, may I also suggest Howard Hanson's _Serenade_? It's technically demanding, but it's also much more emotional than most of the _concours_ pieces. For all their beauty, most of them are rather emotionally detached, so sometimes you have to restrain yourself a lot to play them correctly.
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LaDanseuse
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Post by LaDanseuse »

Unfortunately, my technical training hasn't been great because I don't have private teachers - my parents aren't wholehearted supporters of music education. I had one when I just started, but he taught mostly beginners and intermediates, and since I learned pretty quickly, I outgrew his studio within a year. Later I had another teacher, but then I quit because she taught mostly intermediate players, and by then I was doing level 6 in high school band. But I'm not totally bad; I played pieces like Candide and Southern Harmony in my university ensemble, so I've made it through some challenging repetoire. At home I do etudes from Cavally's Melodious and Progressive Studies and Selected Studies (forget author). My technique isn't great, but I'm working on it! :wink:

And I love Taffanel's Andante Pastoral too! But yeah, I didn't chose it because it stays mostly in the mid-range, though it is my backup piece if I continue to be indecisive! The first quarter of Gaubert's Fantaisie is doable for me; the rest is a lot of notes with a tonguing nightmare! I'll definitely look into Fantasie and Nocturne - I've read them before and I like them. From Cavally, the Minuet and Dance of the Blessed Spirits is from Gluck's Orpheus and Eurydice - I'm sure you know it, as it is a quite popular piece for flute students. The Bach suite is very pretty, but as auletes said, it's a bit of a concours piece with little musicality.

Of course, I have other flute books, but they're either intermediate level or duets, so I don't think they're appropriate. I don't think I have Hanson's Serenade, but I prefer to stick to what I have rather than start fresh (I'm going back to school in 2 weeks :shock: , so time's an issue). Auletes, I'm curious as to what age or level auditions with Farue's Sicilienne or Gaubert's Madrigal. Pretty as they are, I'd be embarrassed to play them as audition pieces for my college director! :oops:

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Post by MeLizzard »

The playing level in the flute world is now far too high to use pieces like the Faure Sicilienne or the Gaubert Madrigal to win first chairs in honor bands, or scholarships, or masterclass spots, unless you're 12, and even then there's a question these days. I heard a 12-year-old play (mostly gorgeously) the Chaminade at a convention this spring. :!: It'd be great to slow the craziness and really appreciate incredible artistry again, but good luck at that! I had an interesting experience last fall, while singing with an amatuer chorus in town (good one :) ). The sopranos don't read too well, so I had to sing instead of play on our newly-commissioned piece, for chorus and wind ensemble. Everyone listened almost breathlessly during the rehearsal as an outstanding local clarinetist/band director made sublime music with a two-quarter-note motive. Awesome! P= Anyway, we have to try really well to match a piece to our own strengths, as well as the purpose of the audition, something challenging enough to win respect, but not so hard it can't be played with clean technique, good tone, and peace of mind, simultaneously. A lot to ask sometimes!!! Are you sure you won't be asked to play the part to which you refer as "a nightmare" ? That would be my sole reservation, since, sometimes, the auditor doesn't stop listening before we want them to! :oops: PS Cavally's good; do you have any technique books?

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Post by Claiken »

Would Syrinx, a movement of a Bach sonata, or the first movement of the Hindemith sonata be good for you?
i can play that!!!!! sure it took me like 6-7 months of looking at it but i can FINALLY play it!!!
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Post by EddieDean »

I think it's important to think of Goldilocks at a time like this.......you don't want anything too hard or too easy, but JUST RIGHT.

I have sat in on quite a few solo and ensemble competitions where young flutists have selected music that is WAAAAYYY too difficult. The last incident involved an especially disgraceful freshman performance of the first movement of the Poulenc Sonata. I'm not sure who instructed this poor girl to attempt the piece in the first place, but it was obviously too hard for her ability level. Not only would she have received a better rating playing something like "Minuet and Spirit Dance," but she also would've learned more as a musician about tone and embellishment, and could've saved the Poulenc until she had mastered double tonguing. Sure, her fingers stumbled through a few of the passages unscathed, but what did she LEARN from playing that song? That mediocrity is okay if you play a lot of notes? In my opinion, musicality should be the highlight, not seeing how fast you can play an A major scale.

That having been said, I agree that many non-flutists are easily duped by fast technical performances with little musicality, so you may be okay if you try something a bit over your head. Still, I would much prefer a 12-year old to play "Sicilienne" with a vibrant tone instead of barely making it through the Chaminade. Why do we feel the need to push people into pieces that are too hard for them?

I've never heard you play and don't really know the exact depth of your ability, but I would suggest reading through these:

Godard "Allegretto"- lots of notes without being TOO hard, sounds technically impressive but isn't that difficult to prepare and has some passages that you can work on double tonguing with

Mozart "Andante in C"- you can rewrite the cadenza to be as technical as you want, and can cut out parts that are a bit slower

Debussy "Syrinx"- be careful if you choose this one! If you really have a great tone and shine musically, this piece can be WONDERFUL....research the story and highlight the "sobs" within. It isn't technically very difficult, which is good if that's an area of weakness for you, but it can still be very impressive if played well. It can be played pretty awful without the proper musicality.

Anderson "Scherzino"- this piece is VERY overplayed but is cute and involves SOME technical passages that aren't too hard. This was also on the piccolo contest list so you can use it for that, if you want. Keep it light and steady and it can be a real stunner.

If those sound too easy, perhaps one of the French tunes mentioned are a better try ("Fantasie," "Chaminade," "Ballade", etc.) The Hindemith is nice but can be a bit abrasive to those who don't like 20th century music and can be mistaken by those who don't know the tune. My personal favorite is "Poem" by Charles Griffes....it's so much fun to play and has wonderful slow and fast passages. It's difficult to play well and there are few high school players who could really make it sing, but you could cut it here and there if need be.

Let me know if you want any more titles, and good luck! Hope that helps!

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