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WalterMitty
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A confession of a FLuteholic

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Hi, my name is Walter. And I'm a fluteholic.
I love flutes and I'm buying them, playing them, adjusting and polishing them.

I'm spending all my over-time pay (and more) for flute and flute related material.
I don't have a life. I can't have one because my babies (flutes) are crying and asking me to play and to take good care of them, LOUD (in my imagination). :)

After buying a Trevor James Privilege II, I said to myself that this is the last one I'm buying for long long time.
And I bought another open hole flute within a day or two.

Then I craved for a wooden flute, nearly bought one, but I thought I had finally resisted the urge.
Hell, I got an enticing e-mail from a seller saying that I could come and try one, only a few hours drive away...
And she made me crazy, again, with the idea of playing an historic instrument AND spending the amount greater than the sum of all my cheap ebay flutes.

Yesterday, I drove up with the cash, and came back with the wooden flute.
It's a century old flute, but PERFECTLY playable, and gave the sweat enchanting sound. I'm happy.

Up to now, I thought I was a logical reasonable person. But I have to admit that I AM a fluteholic. I'm in a deep tubed trouble with the only light of hope coming from the skillfully soldered (or cheaply curled up) tone holes.
Colored in mirroring silver and black (hey, it's not the black tarnish I'm talking about. It's the black grenadilla wood), my reality and day dreams are filled with keys and notes that never cease to resonate....
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Post by cflutist »

Sounds like you enjoy collecting flutes. Have you thought of buying other flutes from the flute family? I have an Alto, and a friend of mine has an Alto, Bass, and Contra Bass. Here's a picture of her playing it at one of the flute fests I host at my house:

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cflutist wrote:Sounds like you enjoy collecting flutes. Have you thought of buying other flutes from the flute family? I have an Alto, and a friend of mine as an Alto, Bass, and Contra Bass. Here's a picture of her playing it at one of the flute fests I host at my house:
I know there are interesting instruments.
If someone give me an alto, well, I'll take it, for sure. :)
But it depends on the cost of shipping, especially forthe monster flute like your friend have.

I think I'll stick to what I've already bought, for the moment, other than ultra cheap and very interesting flutes. More than dozen flute is enough to keep me busy for the rest of this year, I think.

And I'm not really a "collector" kind of person.
Although I do love my babies, I bought them to see how they were sold and how they sound. Once I'm satisfied with I would find, my plan is to sell or give away most (if not all) ebay flutes.


One of the ebay myth that all used ebay flutes need some adjustment has been 100% true, so far.
But another, saying "Don't buy cheap Chinese flute" isn't that true.
The even old cheap Heimer is making relatively nice sound after a few adjustment and brand new Berkeley-wind (I only payed $31+shipping0) is terrific. It's so nice that I'm thinking about keeping it instead of selling or giving away after the testing is done.
And I bought FAKE Yamaha 271 to see how bad it can be. But it's not that bad, at all. I think that some of cheap Chinese flutes are actually pretty good (although I don't know about the durability, yet).

So, I'm more "curious" and/or "inquiring" than "collecting" type of guy.

But there were so many interesting and very cheaply available flutes out there... :)

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Post by m3the01 »

I know u have played some of the cheaper ebay flutes, but have you ever played say a brannen, pearl hand-made, powell?

I had the chance to play an entire line-up of brannens in boston when i visited their office. An assortment of platinum, gold, silver flutes and about 15 headjoints of various compositions and cuts.

I would mind hearing your opinion... cause after playing the brannen orchestal flutes i thought there could be nothing better. Tried a Pearl 9700 maesta with a 14k rosegold lip-plate and riser and its impossible for me to play my old Elegante or yamaha 225 II.

LMK

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m3the01 wrote:I know u have played some of the cheaper ebay flutes, but have you ever played say a brannen, pearl hand-made, powell?

I had the chance to play an entire line-up of brannens in boston when i visited their office. An assortment of platinum, gold, silver flutes and about 15 headjoints of various compositions and cuts.

I would mind hearing your opinion... cause after playing the brannen orchestal flutes i thought there could be nothing better. Tried a Pearl 9700 maesta with a 14k rosegold lip-plate and riser and its impossible for me to play my old Elegante or yamaha 225 II.

LMK
Hi,

The very first flute I played was an old Yamaha, I think it was YFL-21.
It was a flute of my friend and I played only a few weeks and bought all sterling silver full handmade model (open hole, inline-G, but without B-foot), YFL-61, which is supposed to be equivalent of YFL-784. (And it was on sale...)
I've heard that it was a copy of Powel.
I played/practiced A LOT with this one. It was about 30 years ago.

Several years later, when I started to work and had some extra money, I saw a nice Sakurai, also on sale at very special price, and I bought it. Sakurai is a guy who worked at Haynes and went back to Japan. It's fully hand made with gold spring and so on. Pretty similar to Yamaha I already had, but it's more expensive and considered a better flute.
So, this became my primary flute and I used Yamaha when I traveled.

Both are very precise and extremely reliable and durable flutes.
Yamaha has OK sound. Sakurai is slightly more difficult to play but has better sound when we hit the sweet spot. But each Sakurai is supposed to be different (often tailored for each player) that you never know what kind of head you get with the maker.

When I was young, I considered YFL-21 I first played as a crappy cheap flute. But I already knew back then that I could make relatively nice sound if I played well (which can be difficult for a beginner).
But I think it was much much easier for me to learn with better flute.

So, cheap flutes are something I never really touched for a few decades, and it's been very interesting to play different cheep flutes, again.


I don't know about Brannen.
I don't think I would own one unless I can sell all cheap flutes (and possibly my old Yamaha) at very good price and someone is willing to let go a mint condition used one at low low price.

So, I don't know about modern high end flutes nor gold and other expensive materials. Fortunately, I'm not attracted to them. I guess I'm a cheap guy. :D

But I now own 100 years old Haynes wooden flute in addition to two hand made flutes I've been using so long, I know the both side of the spectrum, more or less, the cheaper side and the hand made flutes.

I think cheaper flutes are probably much better than 30 years ago, and even the Chinese Fake Yamaha seems to be better than the cheap flute I played at first.
However, I still think it's better to get the best flute you can buy with the budget you have IF you like playing flute. And you can always get old or junk flutes at ebay and adjust yourself to have some fun. (It's really fun to have cheap instrument you can experiment without the fear of damaging precious flutes.)
And some of them are pretty amazing, considering the price.

Also, we can learn a lot by playing different flutes for prolonged period.
I don't think we should trust the first impression, when it comes to choosing flute. You lean how to play it well, with the time, and it seems instruments also learn to vibrate and resonate as time goes by.


But it's just an opinion of a lousy amature player. :)
Ask your teacher if you are taking lessons. Some teachers really hate when a student buy a new flute without consulting them.

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Post by flutepower »

Actually, I have a cheep flute - and it sound pretty good for the price
- around $150, I believe. I'm saving for a a $500 yamaha, though.
The only problem with cheep flutes are that the tone in itself lacks
that sweet tune a flute should have, and the screws do very weird
things (good thing my brother is great at mechanical things!).

Now to my question, what is the difference in tone of a - lets
say a $500 yamaha versus a $120 yamaha? Just wondering.
~Melissa :P

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flutepower wrote:Actually, I have a cheep flute - and it sound pretty good for the price
- around $150, I believe. I'm saving for a a $500 yamaha, though.
The only problem with cheep flutes are that the tone in itself lacks
that sweet tune a flute should have, and the screws do very weird
things (good thing my brother is great at mechanical things!).

Now to my question, what is the difference in tone of a - lets
say a $500 yamaha versus a $120 yamaha? Just wondering.
~Melissa :P
I don't know as I don't have Yamaha in these price range.

The only REAL Yamaha I have and i know well is a hand made professional model.
You can buy the same one at $2000 to $2500 (used, or supposed to be new but you never know, from winds101 and others) or around 5 to 6K, really new.

If you are saving for $500 flute, I would recommend to save more ... at least $1000 and even $2000 range if possible.
At the price range, you can have very very nice flute compared to under $500 range.

Also, the choice of flute under $500 is limited and there are more competition in finding good in in that range, I think.
But over the $1000 and 1500, there are less people willing to pay the price and thus more bargain you may be able to get.

One thing to consider is the relatively higher price of Yamaha.
It's THE brand name many people go after, and it's too expensive to my taste, especially for the instrument under $1000.
If you have to limit yourself in the price range, you may want to consider different brands like Altus.

The price range is a bit (or a lot) blurred in the used market.
Sometime, you can buy a good flute at very low price.
But you've got to be lucky or very patient and skilled in bidding, or both.
So, it's a good idea to check the local store (if you have one, near by), and check the price and test.
Don't be shy about testing, REPEATEDLY, because I found that the first impression isn't always very reliable.
If you have friends who have different flute, ask them if you can play and test them.

Then, narrow down the choice by asking questions like:
What kind of thing are you going to do with your new flute?
Marching band? (Potentially dangerous for expensive flute)
Jazz? (Not so many people are very picky about sound in Jazz).
Classic and serious (but fun) study into conservatory and even more advanced area? (This is where a good instrument might help you a lot)
Do you need/want open hole? B-foot? Inline or offset G?
Oh, there are split E, C# trill and gizmo, among others.

Remember that you can always plug the open hole flute with different methods.
I prefer open hole model because I can feel the air/vibration easier and my fingers sit lower.
I like inline G because G# tent to be to low (for my taste) for the little finger in offset G.
And I don't care much about C or B foot because I'm not a professional and I don't really need B-foot. C-foot is lighter and takes less space, and usually cheaper, too. (But resale value can be cheaper, as well).
In case of used flute, you may want to be careful about the pitch and scale of the flute. But it doesn't matter a lot unless you are good enough because your pitch and scale would be off in any flute, most probably. :)

Unless you are very picky about the sound you make and you are capable of making good sound, I don't think it's worth spending a lot (over $2, 3,000). But I'm not against the idea that someone who can afford buying even a very expensive flutes as a beginner. I did that (although mine was on sale) and I think it was beneficial in my case, for the learning process and also because the flute has been so reliable.

Finally, again, consult your teacher if you have one.
However, not all teachers are well informed about the market and what is available because there are simply too wide range of flutes available, and nobody can really test everything.

Some teachers love "American" flutes (although some of them are mostly made in China). Some prefer Japanese. Not so many teachers like/recommend Chinese flutes, but some already know that they are getting better and certain brand can be very good or even excellent.
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Have fun, in wondering and choosing your new flute ! :)
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Post by lula »

My Yamaha costed me about $2,000 but I got it with a piccolo as a bundle deal. I bought mine from a local music store that was having a Christmas special; it was one of the only Yamaha's they had. The tone is perfect and is sounding better every day. :)
...MUSIC HAS REPLACED HER HEARTBEAT...

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lula wrote:My Yamaha costed me about $2,000 but I got it with a piccolo as a bundle deal. I bought mine from a local music store that was having a Christmas special; it was one of the only Yamaha's they had. The tone is perfect and is sounding better every day. :)
Good for you ! :) Which model did you get?

Buying locally can be a very good idea, even it may cost more, because of guarantee and services if they provide good one... as I wouldn't trust an instrument over $1000 to the hand of someone who isn't specialized in flute or who doesn't know how to handle handmade and/or higher end models. Some of repair persons (who is more into sax, brass, etc) can do horrible thing to our flute .....


And every time I play the old (probably made in China) Heimer, I'm impressed that it's sounding better. It's supposed to be one of the worst known old brand and it's a bulky heavy flute with pretty strong springs.
Yet it's vibrating like an old full sized car. :D
I still don't know for sure if it's me getting better or the instrument getting better.

Oh, maybe it's because I put a new stopper plug i bought at ebau for $20+shipping, and I put it without the metal reflector plate + screws, like the Bigio stopper plug. And I fixed the head crown ... again with the scotch tape, for now.
(I also used small piece of scotch tape to plug the small hole that goes through the stopper plug).
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Post by lula »

I have a Yamaha Allegro 471 flute. It's amazing. lol Everyone in my high school band is amazed by the fact that it has gold on it. Our local music store had a guy that let me try it before I bought it. It took awhile to get used to because it was a better flute than the one I had before. When I bought it, it came wrapped up in the plastic from the factory; no one had ever touched my flute before so I thought that was cool.

Good luck on saving money for the flute. Luckily, I didn't have to save for mine; I just had to show my parents how hard I was working and they got it for me. Regardless, I have had to do many chores since then to make up for it. Saving pocket change is a good way to accumulate money in a short period of time for your flute!

I love my Yamaha. :P

-Lula :roll:
...MUSIC HAS REPLACED HER HEARTBEAT...

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Hey lula,

Wow, I can't play the piccolo - in fact, I actually have never known
such a cute little instrument existed! Do you play it like a flute, or
is the figuring different? By the way, my dad and mom are planning
to buy me a yamaha at the local flute store - in change of extra chores
around my house!!! I suppose all parents have the same exchange
policy - chores=flute :P
~Melissa

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lula wrote:I have a Yamaha Allegro 471 flute. It's amazing. lol Everyone in my high school band is amazed by the fact that it has gold on it. Our local music store had a guy that let me try it before I bought it. It took awhile to get used to because it was a better flute than the one I had before. When I bought it, it came wrapped up in the plastic from the factory; no one had ever touched my flute before so I thought that was cool.

Good luck on saving money for the flute. Luckily, I didn't have to save for mine; I just had to show my parents how hard I was working and they got it for me. Regardless, I have had to do many chores since then to make up for it. Saving pocket change is a good way to accumulate money in a short period of time for your flute!

I love my Yamaha. :P

-Lula :roll:
I saw Yamaha 471 at the local store and tested for a few minutes, about a week ago..
It was nice. Glad to hear you got reliable good flute and you are happy with it. :)

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Post by Bo »

I am flute-aholic too, and don't intend to change. No Flute-aholics Anonymous :lol: , I like it as it is!

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