Please Help Me Find a Headjoint... Please.
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Please Help Me Find a Headjoint... Please.
First off... Newbie here. Just wanna' say hello all!
Now. The tough part. I have once and ONLY once, seen a tin/penny whistle type headjoint for a flute. Now I am SURE that I saw this thing. It was on a "How it is Made" type show. It was made of the same metal as the flute body. (Made by the same company actually) Now, I'm not looking for a penny whistle, tin flute or fipple flute headjoint. I am looking to find a headjoint that is the same as the ones on those other instruments, but made for a flute.
So, I want something like THIS...
...made to fit THIS.
I've looked on HUNDREDS of Flute/Musical Instrument company websites, been to dozens of music shops, and no-one knows what I'm talking about. Frustrating, really. Now, I need this type of headjoint for the flute because for some strange reason, in 20 years of trying I've NEVER been able to produce the perfect stream of air needed for getting sound from a flute. And I want to play the flute! I've wanted to play the flute for decades. but couldn't. Then I saw the show where they were making the flute and at the end of the piece they showed the flute with a standard headjoint and then with a penny whistle type headjoint. For whatever reason, I didn't get the name of the company making it or even remember which show it was on. So, I'm kinda screwed. Unless you guys can help.
So... If anyone can help me out, I would be VERY appreciative.
Thanx!
Peace
Now. The tough part. I have once and ONLY once, seen a tin/penny whistle type headjoint for a flute. Now I am SURE that I saw this thing. It was on a "How it is Made" type show. It was made of the same metal as the flute body. (Made by the same company actually) Now, I'm not looking for a penny whistle, tin flute or fipple flute headjoint. I am looking to find a headjoint that is the same as the ones on those other instruments, but made for a flute.
So, I want something like THIS...
...made to fit THIS.
I've looked on HUNDREDS of Flute/Musical Instrument company websites, been to dozens of music shops, and no-one knows what I'm talking about. Frustrating, really. Now, I need this type of headjoint for the flute because for some strange reason, in 20 years of trying I've NEVER been able to produce the perfect stream of air needed for getting sound from a flute. And I want to play the flute! I've wanted to play the flute for decades. but couldn't. Then I saw the show where they were making the flute and at the end of the piece they showed the flute with a standard headjoint and then with a penny whistle type headjoint. For whatever reason, I didn't get the name of the company making it or even remember which show it was on. So, I'm kinda screwed. Unless you guys can help.
So... If anyone can help me out, I would be VERY appreciative.
Thanx!
Peace
- vampav8trix
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If you saw it on the actual show How it's Made, I think that the company was Burkhart Phelan.
If you remember the name of the show and there is a web link to the show. Maybe someone here can get a shot of the logo on the flute and will recognize the maker.
The flute How it's Made is available on You tube.
If you remember the name of the show and there is a web link to the show. Maybe someone here can get a shot of the logo on the flute and will recognize the maker.
The flute How it's Made is available on You tube.
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Contact the Abell Flute Company. Abell makes flutes, headjoints, and tin whistles. (James Galway plays an Abell whistle). Perhaps they would be willing to make a fipple-style headjoint for you. However, expect to pay around $1000 or so...
http://www.abellflute.com/
111 Grovewood Road
Asheville, North Carolina 28804
USA
828-254-1004
If you are at all handy with tools, you might consider building one yourself. They are really not that complex. There are a lot of plans/instructions on the web to build whistles. Look for plans to build a low D whistle out of 3/4" copper pipe. The standard Boehm flute bore is roughly 3/4" so I think you could adapt that to work on a standard flute.
Here's one example: http://www.ehhs.cmich.edu/~dhavlena/low-d.htm
http://www.abellflute.com/
111 Grovewood Road
Asheville, North Carolina 28804
USA
828-254-1004
If you are at all handy with tools, you might consider building one yourself. They are really not that complex. There are a lot of plans/instructions on the web to build whistles. Look for plans to build a low D whistle out of 3/4" copper pipe. The standard Boehm flute bore is roughly 3/4" so I think you could adapt that to work on a standard flute.
Here's one example: http://www.ehhs.cmich.edu/~dhavlena/low-d.htm
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[quote="vampav8trix"]If you saw it on the actual show How it's Made, I think that the company was Burkhart Phelan.
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The company featured in that episode was Brannen Brothers. [I'm a big fan of their flutes and I recognized their logo immediately]. However, they were only showing how to make their standard flute and a few of their Kingma system flutes. They didn't show any fipple style headjoints.
So it might have been a different show of the same type.
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The company featured in that episode was Brannen Brothers. [I'm a big fan of their flutes and I recognized their logo immediately]. However, they were only showing how to make their standard flute and a few of their Kingma system flutes. They didn't show any fipple style headjoints.
So it might have been a different show of the same type.
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Thanx all for your replies. Yeah, I had seen that episode too. (How It's Made) And, that wasn't it. At the end of the show the host called the flute that came out of the joining of the fipple flute headjoint and a standard concert flute a "Flute a bec". But, when I look up "flute a bec" I just get recorders and such. Man! I wish I could remember the show! Looks like I'll be doin' some more fruitless searching, or spending some big $ for a custom headjoint. Crud.
Thanx again!
P.S. If any of ya DO find anything out later on... I'll most likely still be looking. And on this forum. Thanx!
Thanx again!
P.S. If any of ya DO find anything out later on... I'll most likely still be looking. And on this forum. Thanx!
If It's Stuck, Force it. If it Breaks, It Needed Replacing Anyways.
A Peculiar Objective
Please consider the ergonomics of playing a Boehm system flute held in front of you and pointing downward. If you have the flute in your picture, try fingering notes of a scale in that vertical position.
The development of an embouchure won't happen overnight. Even if you do get a sound from a flute, it takes a lot of focused practice over months to be able to reliably create desirable tones, not just occassional practice or a bi-annual college try. I had to get some people to show me how to do it in person to even begin to get a sound, then I struggled for weeks and months with some jade flutes (creating some very high pitched sounds) before moving on to a low D, PVC flute.
The silver, Boehm system flute is very elegant, but the wood or cane flute has a much longer history. I know you can get a simple system (open finger hole) flute that provides for both fipple and embouchure hole head joints, but it isn't silver.
I know you can get a low whistle that will be about the same size as a Boehm system flute and more flute-like in its tone very inexpensively at Amazon, complete with fipple. I have one, and I think it has a nice tone. It hardly requires a breath to play the base register. They make metal ones as well, as your other picture seems to illustrate.
I know there is a device called a "cheater" that was once made as part of some flutes. I have one, made in Maryland, that I purchased at auction. It is very old. The metal chute, or cheater, is welded to the side of the flute just below the embouchure hole. It is a very nice substitute for a tin whistle, that I regard as superior to a whistle, because I have yet to encounter the "clogged fipple" problems I've had due to moisture with whistles, yet it solves the same problem in terms of eliminating the embouchure issue.
It seems that you could make a "cheater" if you so wished. You would simply have to get a square of wood, cut it to a suitable rectangle to be thick enough to permit you to drill a couple of holes in it that would force air over the embouchure hole like a couple of parallel straws. You could get a couple of pieces of wire (clotheshanger if you want to be crude and cheap), and cut it to permit you to use a pair of pliers (and some very durable leather gloves) to first shape the wire to clip on around the flute body and lip plate. Start with a "U" in the wire with the gap big enough to go around the lip plate, then bend the legs of the U into "L" shapes back toward the center, the another 90 degree bend to bring them up on either side of the piece of wood comprising the chute you have made. You'll have to bend the base of the U so that it can be clipped under the lip plate (at the risk of scratching the flute if you leave the wire bare and do not tape it carefully).
With that done, get some glue and some tape and glue the wire legs onto either side of the chute. Be careful to put little bends in the ends, so it doesn't come loose and poke you in the lip, face, or eye on either side. Glue the wire into place. Wrap a piece of tape around it, and when it is thoroughly dry, clip it into place so the chute directs air from your lips over the embouchure hole at the proper angle.
I've never used this design, and anyone who does and finds it inadequate or who is injured while making or using it must assume responsibility for their own actions, including any damage to the flute. I do not offer this as a refined solution, but a possibility. If you use toxic glue, the fumes, even when the glue is dry, can have a very nasty effect.
You can tell if the idea will work without much trouble by using a straw from McDonald's. Cut an inch or so off one end, then do it again to produce two, identical, short pieces, tape the two straw pieces together but don't collapse them, and blow through them at an angle to the embouchure hole. It's the same concept as a cheater chute and might be a little safer than making one from wood and wire. You could probably find a way to tape it to the side of the lip plate, although you might have to tape it to a small rectangle of something flexible, like cardboard, on the bottom of the straw pieces, then tape the other end of the flexible base to the lip plate.)
All that said, you could probably get a quote for a PVC headjoint with a whistle fipple glued on the end and the far end lathed to serve as a PVC headjoint for your existing flute if you contact Doug Tipple and tell him that you would send him your existing flute's headjoint to let him measure it, if you decide to do it. Ask him how much to connect a good quality tin whistle fipple to the end of a piece of PVC pipe with the fipple's sound hole at the same place as the embouchure hole of your flute. It might cost less than thousands, but it wouldn't be silver. (He might even be able to make a fipple to fit the bore of the flute from the PVC he'd use to make the headjoint. He might give you a price if you send him a picture of your headjoint, and ask how much to execute the flute fipple in PVC. You can reach him at "dougsflutes@gmail.com".
Good luck. (I'd suggest more consistent practice preceded by a few lessons before I'd give up on the standard configuration. A low whistle really is the logical alternative. Barring that, perhaps a clarinet?)
The development of an embouchure won't happen overnight. Even if you do get a sound from a flute, it takes a lot of focused practice over months to be able to reliably create desirable tones, not just occassional practice or a bi-annual college try. I had to get some people to show me how to do it in person to even begin to get a sound, then I struggled for weeks and months with some jade flutes (creating some very high pitched sounds) before moving on to a low D, PVC flute.
The silver, Boehm system flute is very elegant, but the wood or cane flute has a much longer history. I know you can get a simple system (open finger hole) flute that provides for both fipple and embouchure hole head joints, but it isn't silver.
I know you can get a low whistle that will be about the same size as a Boehm system flute and more flute-like in its tone very inexpensively at Amazon, complete with fipple. I have one, and I think it has a nice tone. It hardly requires a breath to play the base register. They make metal ones as well, as your other picture seems to illustrate.
I know there is a device called a "cheater" that was once made as part of some flutes. I have one, made in Maryland, that I purchased at auction. It is very old. The metal chute, or cheater, is welded to the side of the flute just below the embouchure hole. It is a very nice substitute for a tin whistle, that I regard as superior to a whistle, because I have yet to encounter the "clogged fipple" problems I've had due to moisture with whistles, yet it solves the same problem in terms of eliminating the embouchure issue.
It seems that you could make a "cheater" if you so wished. You would simply have to get a square of wood, cut it to a suitable rectangle to be thick enough to permit you to drill a couple of holes in it that would force air over the embouchure hole like a couple of parallel straws. You could get a couple of pieces of wire (clotheshanger if you want to be crude and cheap), and cut it to permit you to use a pair of pliers (and some very durable leather gloves) to first shape the wire to clip on around the flute body and lip plate. Start with a "U" in the wire with the gap big enough to go around the lip plate, then bend the legs of the U into "L" shapes back toward the center, the another 90 degree bend to bring them up on either side of the piece of wood comprising the chute you have made. You'll have to bend the base of the U so that it can be clipped under the lip plate (at the risk of scratching the flute if you leave the wire bare and do not tape it carefully).
With that done, get some glue and some tape and glue the wire legs onto either side of the chute. Be careful to put little bends in the ends, so it doesn't come loose and poke you in the lip, face, or eye on either side. Glue the wire into place. Wrap a piece of tape around it, and when it is thoroughly dry, clip it into place so the chute directs air from your lips over the embouchure hole at the proper angle.
I've never used this design, and anyone who does and finds it inadequate or who is injured while making or using it must assume responsibility for their own actions, including any damage to the flute. I do not offer this as a refined solution, but a possibility. If you use toxic glue, the fumes, even when the glue is dry, can have a very nasty effect.
You can tell if the idea will work without much trouble by using a straw from McDonald's. Cut an inch or so off one end, then do it again to produce two, identical, short pieces, tape the two straw pieces together but don't collapse them, and blow through them at an angle to the embouchure hole. It's the same concept as a cheater chute and might be a little safer than making one from wood and wire. You could probably find a way to tape it to the side of the lip plate, although you might have to tape it to a small rectangle of something flexible, like cardboard, on the bottom of the straw pieces, then tape the other end of the flexible base to the lip plate.)
All that said, you could probably get a quote for a PVC headjoint with a whistle fipple glued on the end and the far end lathed to serve as a PVC headjoint for your existing flute if you contact Doug Tipple and tell him that you would send him your existing flute's headjoint to let him measure it, if you decide to do it. Ask him how much to connect a good quality tin whistle fipple to the end of a piece of PVC pipe with the fipple's sound hole at the same place as the embouchure hole of your flute. It might cost less than thousands, but it wouldn't be silver. (He might even be able to make a fipple to fit the bore of the flute from the PVC he'd use to make the headjoint. He might give you a price if you send him a picture of your headjoint, and ask how much to execute the flute fipple in PVC. You can reach him at "dougsflutes@gmail.com".
Good luck. (I'd suggest more consistent practice preceded by a few lessons before I'd give up on the standard configuration. A low whistle really is the logical alternative. Barring that, perhaps a clarinet?)
Re: A Peculiar Objective
Thanx for your reply Jaded!Jaded wrote: I know you can get a low whistle that will be about the same size as a Boehm system flute and more flute-like in its tone very inexpensively at Amazon, complete with fipple. I have one, and I think it has a nice tone. It hardly requires a breath to play the base register. They make metal ones as well, as your other picture seems to illustrate.
I know there is a device called a "cheater" that was once made as part of some flutes. I have one, made in Maryland, that I purchased at auction. It is very old. The metal chute, or cheater, is welded to the side of the flute just below the embouchure hole. It is a very nice substitute for a tin whistle, that I regard as superior to a whistle, because I have yet to encounter the "clogged fipple" problems I've had due to moisture with whistles, yet it solves the same problem in terms of eliminating the embouchure issue.
I thought about the possibility of there being a problem with fingering with the flute pointed straight down, so I tried various positions and found that tilting my head slightly to the left while turning it slightly to the right was VERY comfy. Almost relaxing actually.
Any chance you can post a pic of your low whistle and your cheater? I was actually thinking about getting a silversmith to weld a tube in front of the embouchure hole "guiding" the air to the right spot. Didn't know if it was possible or not. (Looked and looked, but couldn't find any reference to modified headpieces anywhere) Glad to hear it can be done.
Practice? I've tried! I've really, really tried! Hours upon hours upon hours with no success. NO SUCCESS. None. Nada. Zip. Ziltch. Zero. Not ONE peep. I think it's the shape of my lips. Kinda puffy. I can play Brass. ie: french horn, euphonium. Though the smaller french horn mouthpiece is ALMOST beyond my ability to use. The higher notes are a byatch! The euphonium, no problem. Damn lips! I can get solid tones out of a sax or a clarinet. But I don't enjoy those instuments. The only instrument that I have been almost obsessed about being able to play some day is the flute. I've tried tin whistles and penny flutes and fipple flutes of various sizes and materials, but have yet to find anything with as pleasing a sound as a silver flute.
So, thanx again for your help. I MUCH appreciate.
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Low D Flute
Here is a web page at Amazon FULL of low D whistles. They're a great instrument. Most relaxing. No embouchure issues.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?ur ... ow+whistle .
I'd recommend the $9.00 (new) low D cane whistle. That's the type I own. It's a fine whistle, and a great way to find out if your hands are big enough to play this thing. (If not, you can go with a somewhat higher pitched low whistle, also sold at Amazon.) They're good for about two octaves. You can get a shiny metal low D whistle as well, but if you can't get your fingers over the holes, you'll need a good return policy. I like the sound of cane and wood (and PVC), so the sound of a silver flute wasn't what I was seeking. You'll have to learn the "piper's grip" to play the low D whistle without experiencing agony. You won't be playing with your fingertips over the tone holes, as with a high whistle, just the flats for quite a few holes. The tone ascends as you remove your fingers from the lower holes.
Want Irish music? Try www.thesession.org or www.whistlethis.com, or a host of other sites. O'Carolan's "Planxty Sweeney" is nice on a flute, if you can find an arrangement for flute, or just play the top line of a piano arrangement, so is his "Si Bheag, Si Mhor". Doug Tipple's flute site has a lot of music for Irish flute for download as well, with MP3s.
I'd suggest you consider trying a simple system flute made by Doug Tipple, if you can handle the $9.00 low D whistle in terms of fingering. He's working to make the embouchure hole more user friendly for beginners, and when he's finished, he can sell you a nice, polished, white flute, from a maker who has gained worldwide praise, for what will amount to less than $100.00. You can play the low D flute chromatically with half holing, if you're willing to take it a little slower.
Stay away from bamboo or jade flutes, unless you are into Chinese ethnic music. They have a very, well, Chinese tone. (I am into that type of music, but I can't find any of it in a form I can use on the internet, even the traditional script versions of the works. (I tried to write a few of my own.) Thousands of years of Chinese flute playing, and there isn't a site on the net offering Chinese meditative flute music culled from the depths of time.)
Note: I spent hours and hours breathless, lightheaded, and with only a few peeps coming out of my flutes for many weeks before I BEGAN to be able to play the scale over two octaves. Even now I am only beginning to be able to go from the top of the first octave to the low D note with some confidence that I can do so without overblowing and killing the tone. The more I practice, the better I get. Don't believe all embouchures are the same with simple system flutes.
I don't know about the Boehm flutes, so I can't comment on their embouchure holes. Have you tried a few, different headjoints at a store that has someone present who really knows about the flute? I can't believe anyone's lips are the problem. You really have to shift the stream of air up and down to be able to play across a couple of octaves, even with a PVC flute, while also varying the shape of your lips. At the base note of my low D flute, my lips are oval shaped, pointed at about 45 degrees downward with my upper lip extended over the hole, and I am basically just breathing into the embouchure hole.
(Have you ever had that flute of yours checked out? Can ANYONE get a tone out of it?)
Good luck.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?ur ... ow+whistle .
I'd recommend the $9.00 (new) low D cane whistle. That's the type I own. It's a fine whistle, and a great way to find out if your hands are big enough to play this thing. (If not, you can go with a somewhat higher pitched low whistle, also sold at Amazon.) They're good for about two octaves. You can get a shiny metal low D whistle as well, but if you can't get your fingers over the holes, you'll need a good return policy. I like the sound of cane and wood (and PVC), so the sound of a silver flute wasn't what I was seeking. You'll have to learn the "piper's grip" to play the low D whistle without experiencing agony. You won't be playing with your fingertips over the tone holes, as with a high whistle, just the flats for quite a few holes. The tone ascends as you remove your fingers from the lower holes.
Want Irish music? Try www.thesession.org or www.whistlethis.com, or a host of other sites. O'Carolan's "Planxty Sweeney" is nice on a flute, if you can find an arrangement for flute, or just play the top line of a piano arrangement, so is his "Si Bheag, Si Mhor". Doug Tipple's flute site has a lot of music for Irish flute for download as well, with MP3s.
I'd suggest you consider trying a simple system flute made by Doug Tipple, if you can handle the $9.00 low D whistle in terms of fingering. He's working to make the embouchure hole more user friendly for beginners, and when he's finished, he can sell you a nice, polished, white flute, from a maker who has gained worldwide praise, for what will amount to less than $100.00. You can play the low D flute chromatically with half holing, if you're willing to take it a little slower.
Stay away from bamboo or jade flutes, unless you are into Chinese ethnic music. They have a very, well, Chinese tone. (I am into that type of music, but I can't find any of it in a form I can use on the internet, even the traditional script versions of the works. (I tried to write a few of my own.) Thousands of years of Chinese flute playing, and there isn't a site on the net offering Chinese meditative flute music culled from the depths of time.)
Note: I spent hours and hours breathless, lightheaded, and with only a few peeps coming out of my flutes for many weeks before I BEGAN to be able to play the scale over two octaves. Even now I am only beginning to be able to go from the top of the first octave to the low D note with some confidence that I can do so without overblowing and killing the tone. The more I practice, the better I get. Don't believe all embouchures are the same with simple system flutes.
I don't know about the Boehm flutes, so I can't comment on their embouchure holes. Have you tried a few, different headjoints at a store that has someone present who really knows about the flute? I can't believe anyone's lips are the problem. You really have to shift the stream of air up and down to be able to play across a couple of octaves, even with a PVC flute, while also varying the shape of your lips. At the base note of my low D flute, my lips are oval shaped, pointed at about 45 degrees downward with my upper lip extended over the hole, and I am basically just breathing into the embouchure hole.
(Have you ever had that flute of yours checked out? Can ANYONE get a tone out of it?)
Good luck.
Thanx for all of your info and advice Jaded! Yeah, my fingers are a bit stubby. Which has given no end of troubles trying to get them to close off the holes on a whistle accurately and quick. Hence, my added desire for flute playing. espescially since I REALLY prefer the lower toned instruments. I have seen a headjoint that has a raised silver "runner" along each side of the embouchure hole, lined up in the direction that you blow. It's not this one though.===> (Reform Lip Plate: Also sometimes called a 'Winged' Lip Plate. This is a style of embouchure on a head joint where the lip plate is formed with a raised 'ridge' on either side of the embouchure hole, approximately where the lower lip of the player would rest. There are many variations but the apparent advantage seems to be a general improving of 'ease of blowing'.)
The one I'm thinking of has two parallel ridges. One on either side of the hole. I haven't yet given this type of headjoint a try. You ever use / seen one? Thanx much again! I shall persevere.
The one I'm thinking of has two parallel ridges. One on either side of the hole. I haven't yet given this type of headjoint a try. You ever use / seen one? Thanx much again! I shall persevere.
If It's Stuck, Force it. If it Breaks, It Needed Replacing Anyways.
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Yeah, I've tried a few of them, but I didn't care for them. Winged headjoints are generally more costly than regular headjoints. Most start around $1000 and go up from there.
Have you taken any lessons from a flute teacher? The reason I ask is that often when someone has difficulty making a sound on the flute, it's simply because they have been unable to visualize and feel the proper position of the lips when blowing. A flute teacher can look at how you are forming the embouchure (lip position) and help you correct anything that you might be doing incorrectly.
Now, there are some cases where the shape of the lips can interfere with forming a proper embouchure. However, those are actually very rare. Unless you have a pronounced lip deformity (i.e. cleft palate) or your lips have been injured, with proper instruction, you should be able to form the embouchure correctly and get a good sound.
Before you go trying to fix your problem with hardware, try a few lessons. In most areas lessons run around $20-$30 per half-hour lesson. Some teachers will only do full hour lessons. Either way, for a relatively modest amount, you could get an evaluation from a professional flute teacher who could help guide you.
Have you taken any lessons from a flute teacher? The reason I ask is that often when someone has difficulty making a sound on the flute, it's simply because they have been unable to visualize and feel the proper position of the lips when blowing. A flute teacher can look at how you are forming the embouchure (lip position) and help you correct anything that you might be doing incorrectly.
Now, there are some cases where the shape of the lips can interfere with forming a proper embouchure. However, those are actually very rare. Unless you have a pronounced lip deformity (i.e. cleft palate) or your lips have been injured, with proper instruction, you should be able to form the embouchure correctly and get a good sound.
Before you go trying to fix your problem with hardware, try a few lessons. In most areas lessons run around $20-$30 per half-hour lesson. Some teachers will only do full hour lessons. Either way, for a relatively modest amount, you could get an evaluation from a professional flute teacher who could help guide you.
"Never give a flute player a screwdriver."
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Low Whistle/Flute
Try a low G whistle if you've got shorter, stubbier fingers. I can manage a low D whistle, but it takes some practice to learn not to overblow and focus on finger placement with a low whistle.
I am inclined to believe you need lessons more than an odd flute configuration.
I don't know how Boehm flutes compare to simple system flutes (lacking lip plates) in terms of how hard it is to get a tone out of them, due to the different chimney depth and likely need to shift the angle at which you blow to play the Boehm system flute.
That's pretty much all I've got to say:
1. Take a couple lessons and let the instructor try your flute. (Bring some of those disinfectant towelettes to clean the embouchure.) Watch what he or she does with their lips while they are playing it. In fact, videotape it if you must and play it back while you practice. You can probably find some videos of flute players that might help on YouTube.
2. Have you considered a "learn to play the flute" DVD? They may have them with Netflix, which has a free trial membership for 30 days. This site has learning videos as well, if you've got the bandwidth.
3. Get yourself a lower toned whistle and learn to play it (E-bay, Amazon, etc.) They aren't children's toys (assuming you want to do more than annoy an elder with loud noise). You need to keep your breath levels quite low and not try to play too fast at the start to control the tone and maintain proper finger placement. (Here's a $20.00 low B flute at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Brass-Flute-Whist ... 86&sr=8-39 . They make a Bb version as well, with slightly greater finger spacing...
4. Contact Doug Tipple and ask him what he can make for you in the way of a PVC flute. He really tries to produce a flute that people with smaller hands and beginners are able to play, and they've been purchased en masse by Disney Corp. for its roving shows, Broadway and global orchestral players, etc. His goal is to advance the simple system flute, and his low production volume empowers that goal.
Good luck! That's all from me.
I am inclined to believe you need lessons more than an odd flute configuration.
I don't know how Boehm flutes compare to simple system flutes (lacking lip plates) in terms of how hard it is to get a tone out of them, due to the different chimney depth and likely need to shift the angle at which you blow to play the Boehm system flute.
That's pretty much all I've got to say:
1. Take a couple lessons and let the instructor try your flute. (Bring some of those disinfectant towelettes to clean the embouchure.) Watch what he or she does with their lips while they are playing it. In fact, videotape it if you must and play it back while you practice. You can probably find some videos of flute players that might help on YouTube.
2. Have you considered a "learn to play the flute" DVD? They may have them with Netflix, which has a free trial membership for 30 days. This site has learning videos as well, if you've got the bandwidth.
3. Get yourself a lower toned whistle and learn to play it (E-bay, Amazon, etc.) They aren't children's toys (assuming you want to do more than annoy an elder with loud noise). You need to keep your breath levels quite low and not try to play too fast at the start to control the tone and maintain proper finger placement. (Here's a $20.00 low B flute at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Brass-Flute-Whist ... 86&sr=8-39 . They make a Bb version as well, with slightly greater finger spacing...
4. Contact Doug Tipple and ask him what he can make for you in the way of a PVC flute. He really tries to produce a flute that people with smaller hands and beginners are able to play, and they've been purchased en masse by Disney Corp. for its roving shows, Broadway and global orchestral players, etc. His goal is to advance the simple system flute, and his low production volume empowers that goal.
Good luck! That's all from me.
Re: Please Help Me Find a Headjoint... Please.
On TV tonight was the Celtic Women program in which one song was accompanied by a vertical metal flute with a fipple. Where does one purchase such an instrument? It used a fingering system similar to a tin whistle, but was made of much heavier metal and sounded more like a “real” flute. I have read the posts from JCCeeJay and his picture looked like this instrument.
All help will be appreciate. Thanks.
Music621
All help will be appreciate. Thanks.
Music621
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Re: Please Help Me Find a Headjoint... Please.
What you saw is a tin whistle. It is just one that is an octave lower than typical tin whistles. They come in various keys, but a common one is the Low D tin whistle like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W_uIIiG8TQ
Some are made of metal and others are made of various plastic materials.
I have a Chieftain like this one and it is about 2 feet long:
https://www.amazon.com/Chieftain-Low-D- ... B000VPLI46
Some are made of metal and others are made of various plastic materials.
I have a Chieftain like this one and it is about 2 feet long:
https://www.amazon.com/Chieftain-Low-D- ... B000VPLI46
"Never give a flute player a screwdriver."
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