how to achieve the "harsh" sound?

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Chummy
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how to achieve the "harsh" sound?

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Hi guys, I've been wondering how to get the "harsh" sound (what's the term for it IDK) often popular in Jazz, Latin, Fusion etc.
I don't think it's done by Frullato but I could be wrong of course. Because I couldn't hear the "Tremolo" between the notes all I heard was each note sounding like a homogenic metallic clang.. IDK how to describe it since I can't seem to find the video I was referencing :(
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Re: how to achieve the "harsh" sound?

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Well, there are several ways to get a "harsh" sound on the flute:
1- Fluttertongue - This is done exactly as the name indicates. The tongue is fluttered like rolling an R in Spanish while you play - rrrrrrrrrrrrrr
2 - Flutter the uvula - The uvula at the back of the throat can be fluttered in a similar manner.
3 - Hum while you play - If you hum while playing that will produce a variable "harsh" sound that changes with the note you hum. Lower humming tends to be more harsh than humming on higher pitches.

If you do a Google search, you should find some examples and further explanations about how to do each of these.

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Re: how to achieve the "harsh" sound?

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interesting! I was looking through tutorial videos on YT , cause I have been trying to learn how to flutter as well and I've seen the two methods: with the flapping tongue and with the uvular trill through throat. I tried making em work but I couldn't get either one to sound good or any at all

with the flapping tongue i don't have any problem rolling the tongue rapidly in fact it's quite easy for me but when I use it with the flute I can't hear any sound because there's not enough air. And I check without the flute to see that's there is enough air coming out of my mouth in a focused direction and it does seem to be alright, but I can hear the flutter sound without the body of the note itself it sounds like a ghost note. I did kinda make it work in several notes of the last octave but for anything below that it's still hard and I couldn't do it at all on the first (lowest) octave.

The Throat thing has the opposite result for me and it doesn't work for me whatsoever. I do the RRRR with the throat and i DO manage to make a clean sound while using it with the flute but it just sounds like a normal note there seem to be no change to the air flow with this method... IDK what I'm doing wrong. I can't find anyone who knows how to teach this, my teacher is classically trained and doesn't teach frullato. Ofc, I'll keep training especially using the 1st method as I can feel I can fine tune it and *maybe* get better with it. The Throat method is just no idea what I'm doing and what I'm supposed to be doing (although I watched a few YouTube videos explaining it should sound like gargling water or like a cat purring LOL )
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