Flute at A-444 Hz

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Flute at A-444 Hz

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I´ve been looking for a new instrument (old flute is unplayable) and test-played a few a couple of weeks ago. The favourite was the Miyazawa PA-202. Obviously, this was also the most expensive :) One thing that I noticed was that Miyazawa build their flutes with A at 444 Hz (according to their website). What sort of problem is this likely to give when playing with an instrument tuned at 442 Hz? I know that I can pull the head out further, but then the flute is likely to be out of tune with itself on some notes. Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance.

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Just checked out both the American and UK websites, they both state standard is 442, but you can also order 440 444 and 446

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Re: Flute at A-444 Hz

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flutecake wrote:I´ve been looking for a new instrument (old flute is unplayable) and test-played a few a couple of weeks ago. The favourite was the Miyazawa PA-202. Obviously, this was also the most expensive :) One thing that I noticed was that Miyazawa build their flutes with A at 444 Hz (according to their website). What sort of problem is this likely to give when playing with an instrument tuned at 442 Hz? I know that I can pull the head out further, but then the flute is likely to be out of tune with itself on some notes. Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance.
It's not hard to play with instruments pitched 2 Hz off from yours, but assuming your information is correct, you may have some problems playing with instruments at A-440. That will really depend on how flexible you are pitch-wise. I play a Tom Green flute pitched at A-442 with instruments at A-440 all the time, and there is no problem at all there, but if it is too big a difference, you'll be having to work quite hard to match pitch.

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Thanks for the replies. It could be that the German website is in error then. I shall check when I go back to the flute shop. I didn´t notice any difference between the Miyazawa and the other flutes I tried pitch-wise and they were all 442 Hz as far as I know (Pearl, Yamaha, Jupier and Sankyo).

At the moment I am most bothered about being able to play with my husband´s piano, but I don´t want to make it too awkward to play with other flutes. I though standard pitch was supposed to stop all of this confusion....

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My Miyazawa is tuned to A=442. This is Miyazawa's standard scale. But, as previously stated, they can custom make a flute to any scale you desire.

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flutecake wrote:I though standard pitch was supposed to stop all of this confusion....
If it had stayed standard it would have, but just as before, different regions have different ideas of what pitch is, and even between different kinds of ensembles there can be a difference. As time goes on, pitch continues to rise, and there's no way to know if it will stop at A-446 or A-450, etc. The best we can do is buy a flute that is at or near the pitch we intend to play at, and then learn to become flexible enough to adjust when we venture outside our own idea of what an A is.

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fluteguy18 wrote:My Miyazawa is tuned to A=442. This is Miyazawa's standard scale. But, as previously stated, they can custom make a flute to any scale you desire.
Well, I don't think I am good enough to be thinking about custom flutes yet, the standard scale will do fine for me! Anyway, I don't have the patience to wait - my current flute won't play F# (amongst other things) which is restricting my choice of music somewhat.

As for the standard pitch, I guess we could discuss that one until the cows come home.

Maybe I should buy a tuner, any recommendations, I've never seen one in use before?

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Have you had your flute looked at by at technitian? It sounds like your flute is long overdue for a checkup!

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fluteguy18 wrote:Have you had your flute looked at by at technitian? It sounds like your flute is long overdue for a checkup!
Definitely have your flute checked over before spending money for a new one. There obviously is at least one relatively major leak (most likely several), and some attention by a qualified tech could put it in almost new condition. Flutes are like cars....You have to give them regular maintainance, or they're going to break down on you.

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fluteguy18 wrote:Have you had your flute looked at by at technitian? It sounds like your flute is long overdue for a checkup!
Er, yes, about 10 years overdue :oops: . It's a student model (Embassy Besson - don't think they are made any more) which I bought second hand for 100 pounds when I was at school. My teacher told me before my last exam that I would need to upgrade soon - this was quite a few years ago, but I stopped having lessons while I was at University and have only been thinking about starting again for about the last two years.

The technician I took it to last year politely told me that I would be better off saving my money as a full overhaul would cost as much as a new student flute and in her opinion it really wasn't worth it (flute is slightly banana-shaped and I have worn the plating off some of the keys, tone was never anything special).

Taking all of this into account I decided that it might be time for the upgrade to a decent quality instrument with a silver head and reliable mechanism. My husband also things that this is a good idea as he'll have to listen to me playing it :) , so I am looking around and test playing as many flutes as possible, but so far it seems to be between the Miyazawa and Pearl (have tried a Quantz 665 and would like to give the Dolce and Elegante a play).

Thanks for the advice.

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flutecake wrote: Taking all of this into account I decided that it might be time for the upgrade to a decent quality instrument with a silver head and reliable mechanism.
I would be less concerned about what the flute is made of and more concerned about how it sounds/feels for you. Silver content will make almost no difference to the flute...It's all in the design and the quality of construction. Keep your options open, as there are some good plated instruments that blow cheaper solid silver flutes out of the water.
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umm.... I didnt write that..... she did. :wink: :lol:

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fluteguy18 wrote:umm.... I didnt write that..... she did. :wink: :lol:
You're quite right, Fluteguy. Forgive my sloppy editting! I've fixed it.

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[quote="flutepicc06
I would be less concerned about what the flute is made of and more concerned about how it sounds/feels for you. Silver content will make almost no difference to the flute...It's all in the design and the quality of construction. Keep your options open, as there are some good plated instruments that blow cheaper solid silver flutes out of the water.[/quote]

A good point and something I am bearing in mind. It just happens that my favourite flute so far has been one with a silver head. Actually I also tried a Di Medici with a silver tube as well as head, it had a lovely dark first octave but a thin third octave compared with the Pearl and Miyazawa (and lots of gold plating - a bit too "bling" for me).

On the subject of maintainence - how often do you usually get a full service on your flute? I am assuming that you shouldn't really wait until it doesn't play any more.

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flutecake wrote:
On the subject of maintainence - how often do you usually get a full service on your flute? I am assuming that you shouldn't really wait until it doesn't play any more.

A good question. I'm particularly picky about my instruments, so I get a COA done every 6-8 months, but the usual is a COA every year, and an overhaul every 3-5 years. Definitely don't wait until it doesn't play anymore.

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