New Tehnique on Flute

desdemona.sams · Post by **desdemona.sams** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:04 am

Hello,
I'm very interested in new music for flute, and improvisation. I already know many tehiques, but i would like to have books about it. Can anyone recommend some books with modern tehniques for me?
Further, I'm interested in preparated flutes. Does anyone knwos something about this? And what kind of preparating flutes does exist?
Alma

Phineas · Post by **Phineas** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:27 pm

Hello Alma

If you already have good technique, maybe you should experiment with your own.

As far as improvization, here are a couple of books I recommend.

http://www.charlescolin.com/trebleclef/index.htm

CC1613 Chesky: Contemporary Jazz/Rock Patterns Vol.1 $12.50
CC1614 Chesky: Contemporary Jazz/Rock Patterns Vol.2 $9.95

Most people do not wind up using the patterns, per se. These books are a good platform for developing ideas.

Here is another good book

"The Best Way to Develop Solos over Classic Changes" by Sam Most
This book is cool because it comes with a playalong CD. You can also use the CD to experiment with the Chesky patterns.

You can get it many places, but here 2 place I recommend.

http://www.stannmusicpublications.com/
http://www.music44.com/

Like I said, the goal of these books are to increase your dexterity, sight reading skills, and open up your ears.

It is my personal view that people should develop a good basic foundation, then do their own thing. Soloing is more than just technique, it is also having the ability to play with you like/would to listen to!!!

This guy is a prime example of that.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=59ZX5qdIEB0

I will bet there you will nto be able to find a book that will teach you how to do that!

Phineas

desdemona.sams · Post by **desdemona.sams** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:22 pm

hello,
thank you for your writing. i already play jazz flute, and improvise. but, i ment with new music the 20th century music and new waves....avantgarde music!
like sequenza from luciano berio, than cassandras dream....and i'm interested where i can read about the tehniques that are used in such pieces!

desdemona.sams · Post by **desdemona.sams** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:22 pm

and, of course i know greg pattillo!
he's so cool

c_otter · Post by **c_otter** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:10 pm

Robert Dick ( http://www.robertdick.net/ ) is well known for modern techniques.

He has some books and even a few videos. I don't have any experience with the books/videos, so I can't make any specific recommendations.
N

fluteguy18 · Post by **fluteguy18** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:50 pm

Oh yeah! Greg is a great guy [he and one of my teachers are friends from college]. I got to meet/hang out with him a bit at the NFA Convention. He's really nice.

And actually, he is currently working on a method book/guide for beatbox flute. It's quite fascinating. I didn't get to go to his clinic at the NFA convention [ my group split up so we could all bring back notes and share], but from what I hear, the basics aren't that hard. It is just a matter of getting it to work well together.

desdemona.sams · Post by **desdemona.sams** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:00 am

yes, i know that's robert dick well known for modern music. and i know one of his books, but i am looking also for books from other flautists.
and if someone knows where I can find some things about the preparated flute

fluteguy18 · Post by **fluteguy18** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:53 pm

Do you mean "prepared" flute? [Sort of like "Prepared Piano" ?]

It that is what you mean, I don't think that such a thing exists.... :/

desdemona.sams · Post by **desdemona.sams** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:06 pm

yes, i mean prepared ( my bad english

)
yes, it exist, i know that it exist. but i don't know how it looks like, ad how to do it!

fluteguy18 · Post by **fluteguy18** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:13 pm

Well, if "prepared flute" exists, I have never seen nor heard of such a thing. [Nor have my teachers I would be willing to wager]. Good luck.

c_otter · Post by **c_otter** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:57 pm

I googled "prepared flute", including quotes, and found the link below. It even contains a couple of pieces for "prepared flute".

http://www.helenbledsoe.com/erep.html

desdemona.sams · Post by **desdemona.sams** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:36 pm

hi otter, thanks , i googled it too...but there are only pieces. and i would like to know how i can prepare a flute...hmm.....noone i asked, had experience with that

fluttiegurl · Post by **fluttiegurl** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:33 pm

These techniques are all based on how you play, but the flute itself (with the exception of open holes for bending notes). Key clicks are done by slapping the keys to produce sound. Singing while playing is, well . . . singing while playing, just what it says. Flutter tonging is produced by rolling your tongue while playing or by gurgling the throat (there is one more way but I can't remember it off the top of my head). Quarter tones, pitch bending, multiphonics, etc are done a number of ways by changing the embouchure, covering half holes, overshooting the pitch, alternate fingerings, and the list goes on. As far as I know, these have nothing to do with actually "preparing" the flute.

For more on these techniques, I highly recommend reading Robert Dick's "The Other Flute." It is sort of a guide book for these techniques. It is good to have on hand when you are learning some of these pieces. Most will have some sort of explanation, but many are unclear or assume the player knows a great deal to begin with.

This is a great list of pieces. One of my favs is "Zoom Tube" by Ian Clarke. The piece is not that difficult and introduces several of these techniques to get you started.

fluteguy18 · Post by **fluteguy18** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:03 am

Exactly Fluttiegurl. Nothing has been done to alter the flute or the playing qualities of it. To "Prepare" an instrument is to temporarily alter it. Prepared piano for example is just a matter of putting things inside the piano to change the sounds the piano makes. The only Prepared flute thing that I have heard of, is putting cigarette paper in one of the toneholes or maybe something to do with the headjoint cork.

All of these extended techniques that have been mentioned so far, are accomplished by the player. They are not achieved by altering/ "preparing" the instrument.

But, in the off chance that I am completely wrong about this, if you or anyone finds anything about "Prepared Flute" please educate me.

OH, and I definitely recommend getting Robert Dick's book. While I myself do not own it, my teachers do and it is fascinating. That guy is absolutely obsessed with [and brilliant at] finding wierd things to do with a flute. If there is any sort of "Prepared" flute stuff, it will be in there. I however would not get my hopes up.

c_otter · Post by **c_otter** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:15 pm

Before this discussion, I knew nothing about prepared flute, but became curious.

In the link I posted above, a couple of the pieces were for prepared flute and actually mentioned the alterations

Istvan Matuz - Six Studies per Flauto Solo (Akkord Music Publications) II -IV
1) ...L(Elek)zem - for prepared flute, C ft.
2) Head Join(t)s Footjoint - played with head and (B)footjoint only ("Body-less flute")
3) Sakura-Sakura - flute is played shakuhachi style without headjoint *SF
4) "Blaset, Bla-aset..." - balloon attached to end of flute (C or B ft.)
5) Dies Irae - for prepared flute with E-mechanism
6) Headlessness - theatrical satire on Mozart's Concerto in G. Flute is played without headjoint and then with a saxophone mouthpiece.

Jos Zwannenburg - Solo for Prepared Flute (Ascolta Music Publications) flute is prepared with an end cork and cigarette paper under the A-key. whistle tones, "GHOST TONES", jet whistle, tongue ram. II+