Buffet Crampon 227 International B foot silver head.

[thyranusrex]

I bought a cooper scale 227 with B foot and solid silver headjoint, can someone tell me what level of flute, the sound quality, with which flutes does it compare?
I found the good business for my money, but it did not find anything to know these things.
I appreciate any information on it too,,,.

[jmdewey60]

I think there were a limited number of the Crampton
flutes that were made in Germany that are highly
regarded, otherwise they do not seem to be anything
special, not that I ever played one but just from
what I have read on the internet.
If it plays then you may be in luck, that would be
the important thing, I would think. A silver head
is always nice.

[thyranusrex]

Well, here I am in Brazil, I ventured to the net to buy, now is wait and see, in announcing the seller said it was a very rare flute, then, will be 15/20 days of anxiety, hope to get lucky ....... ..
Thanks,

[jmdewey60]

Well, can you post a link to the web page where you found this flute.
I can not imagine what would be rare about it.
Is it that it has the silver head?
That might be a little unusual.
Normally the ones I see on EBay are either all plated,
or all silver.

[pied_piper]

Buffet is known to be one of the best makers of professional and intermediate clarinets. Their saxophones are also quite good and are perhaps second only to Selmer. Buffet has never been recognized as a top line flute maker, but given their other woodwind making experience, their flutes should be respectable. I've never played a 227, but from the description I would classify it as an intermediate level flute.

There are some discussions of the Buffet 227 and 228 models here:
http://test.woodwind.org/oboe/BBoard/re ... =248&t=248

[Phineas]

I use to own a Buffet International Model. It was my work horse till it got stolen. Buffet flutes are very under rated. Mine was also English made. I think the newer ones were made in Taiwan.

Phineas

[thyranusrex]

Well, I study with a Yamaha YFL-221-and I intend to go for open hole and
In-line G, and I ventured in this flute for $ 328, beautiful in the pictures, but maybe need something adjusts, the seller was very good in their care, and feel confidence.

Phineas, if this be Taiwan flute, I hang myself, lol,,,

I'll put the link to it on Ebay, to you guys to see.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... K:MEWNX:IT

[jmdewey60]

OK, That's different.
First one I've seen like that,
and I have actually been
looking at things like that,
as funny as that might seem,
and have even bid on a couple.
So, there you go, if you like vintage flutes.
See my comment on "student flute?" thread
about lip plates.

[thyranusrex]

I do not know how to play anything yet, just study, but I am a luthier in Sao Paulo, I build guitars and electric basses, and also maintenance on electric instruments.
And the flute is an ancient desire, a little old to young, ma I'll still play the flute, now is the right time to dedicate myself to it, have time and motivation.
As in Brazil simply does not exist even a shop where someone can play various brands of flute, has only good Yamaha shop, the rest are Chinese, old or used.
So I bought some used flutes on ebay, this Buffet, a YFL-285 S and a silver head EF6S Emerson too, the 285 already arrived, her retreat on Monday and still others take it time and everything is burdened in the mail.
I'll have the opportunity to choose a better flute and then sale the other three (including my 221).
If I have success I will have a flute for many years, or even definitive, anyway like I said I'm pretty old and does not intend to be a soloist or professional.
But I confess that Buffett really attracted me more to have it all, inline G, B foot, gizmo and head of silver.

jmdewey60: give-me the link for your comments on studant flute and lip plate.

[jmdewey60]

You may want to stop buying for a while.
I ended up buying five, thinking I could sell a couple.
But I find it very difficult to part with any.

I was just making a comparison between the plate on
my Pearl, compared to the ones like on my vintage
Artley and Armstrong. Across the lip plate, if you were to
draw an imaginary line, parallel with the center of the flute
from head to foot, near the embouchure hole, it would be
straight, even, on the older ones. The newer ones like
especially the Pearl that I have, have a noticeable curve to it
where your lip kind of falls into it, making it more comfortable
and easier to find your spot after lowering your flute and
picking it up again.
After playing the Pearl for a day, then picking up the Artley
I feel like there is a bump in the middle, but there is not,
just flat, but it seems like it, in comparison.
Since I am on the subject, here's another observation about
how a newer flute is different; I have read this, that there is
a modern cut to the embouchure and I did not understand
what that meant in practical terms. I think I know now, and
it is something you may not be so consciously aware of which
is how much you are moving to flute to compensate between
the higher and lower notes. On, what I guess would be, a more
scientifically designed cut, you can hold the flute in one position
and play the range, where with the "vintage" flutes you can not.

[Phineas]

Well, I study with a Yamaha YFL-221-and I intend to go for open hole and
In-line G, and I ventured in this flute for $ 328, beautiful in the pictures, but maybe need something adjusts, the seller was very good in their care, and feel confidence.

Phineas, if this be Taiwan flute, I hang myself, lol,,,

I'll put the link to it on Ebay, to you guys to see.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... K:MEWNX:IT

There are quite a few quality flutes that are made in Taiwan. This one however is almost the same model I use to have. Definitely European made! You definitely got a good deal!

Phineas

[fluteguy18]

It would be interesting to see how the 'Jesus' engraving affects the sound since it's on the blowing edge of the lip plate....

[thyranusrex]

Phineas , "Yes!!!, thanks, unless one hanged, lol,,,"

jmdewey60
This is true, I thought was very difficult to play notes on flutes professionals, had a chance to try a Altus .958 silver and also a altus Azumi, and are very friendly and soft, then I noticed the difference between seasons and their development of construction .


fluteguy18:
I hope that makes no difference, but if you do, I hope to be divine, lol,,

[thyranusrex]

Hi friends,
Finally got my flute and was a very pleasant surprise, she really is beautiful, plays all the notes sound is strong and projected (that I can play half bad), but is very soft and warm sound of it, I was impressed, because besides that, it is very easy its mouth. It was worth the money spent on it.
The notch writing jesus, not hinder, the further down the air outlet, it's just cosmetic.
tks.

[flutego12]

Thanks for the previous input and links, they've been most helpful. Q was a repeat and I've duly deleted it. Apologies.