Repair Blues 1) frozen screw 2) tarnish diagnosis & treatm

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Repair Blues 1) frozen screw 2) tarnish diagnosis & treatm

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I received a beautiful 4yo 221 flute today - almost mint in every way. But surprise surprise, the BBb spatula (horizontal) rod screw is frozen. How does that happen on a newish well kept flute? When I tried to turn the screw, some metal malformation occurred on the head and it has become very sharp to the touch.

This flute is one of the last batches of Yamaha student flutes made in Japan prior of the production shift to Surabaya INDO. I've also noted that the screws used in this flute is noticeably different in that its thread and screw is much longer than the usual stubbies - almost twice as long but slimmer. I am curious about this, as I've seen two other flutes from the same S/N cluster, but their screws did not appear different. Such a new flute surely could not have undergone refurbish, esp when abandoned by the child after only 3 mths of play.
And this I can vouch is NOT a fake.

Q1) How does one unfreeze a rod screw from its post? (in this case for the BBb spatula keys)
Q2) Now that the screw head is roughed up, how does one smoothen it back? Should I use a metal file?

Q3) Is there a metallurgy reference somewhere which would explain the various stages of "tarnish" or chemical reactions on a silver PLATED flute?
I know a solid silver flute under skilled hands can emerge blemish free - what about silver plated flutes?

What does the emergence of orange (rustlike) spots mean usually concentrated over a localised area of the flute - appearing like measles - how to polish these away?
What about the dark gray gunmetal bumps that show up sometimes as a lone spot and sometimes a scratchpatch on the headjoint, body. How should they be treacted. Can these be removed? These are raised like a delicate grain of fine sand stuck on the flute. Is that the onset of a slow death for the plating? :x

Bought an expensive book on metallurgy on my own volition but does not broach the treatment of flute tarnishing with any relevant depth.
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Re: Repair Blues 1) frozen screw 2) tarnish diagnosis & tr

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For rusted/frozen screws, apply a rust-busting penetrating oil and let it soak in for several hours. Try removing it again. Your comment about messing up the screw slot points out the IMPORTANCE of using a HIGH-QUALITY screwdriver that EXACTLY fits the screw slot. Otherwise, you run the risk of doing more damage to the screw/hinge rod slot.

If it still won't loosen, heat up the hinge tube and try again. It sometimes takes several iterations of doing this to remove a really stubborn rusty screw or hinge rod. If, after all that, it still won't loosen, the last resort is to cut the hinge rod with a jewelers saw. That should only be done by a very experienced repair tech because it will shorten the hinge tube and that must be repaired.

If you are able to remove the hinge screw, you may be able to carefully dress the slot with with a very fine jewelers file. If it is damaged too badly, it's best to replace it.

Orange spots may mean that the flute got wet and those could be dried spots of rusty water. If that's what it is, it should polish out with a bit of silver polish. The raised spots are indeed plating deterioration. It's likely that more spots will appear over time (years). There's not much that can be done except to have the existing plating removed and replate the entire flute. For a 221, the cost is probably not justified. It really is just a cosmetic flaw that won't harm the playability unless the plating starts to come off the embouchure hole and riser. If you just want to experiment, you could buff the raised areas smooth and get a spot plating kit to touch-up the areas, but that is not really a permanent solution because spot plating is not as thick or durable and will wear off much easier than the original plating.

Generally, plating problems are related to impurities left on the metal before it is plated. Other times, harsh environments with moist, salty air can contribute to plating deterioration.
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Re: Repair Blues 1) frozen screw 2) tarnish diagnosis & tr

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You need to show pics so we can better analyse for you

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Re: Repair Blues 1) frozen screw 2) tarnish diagnosis & tr

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@PiedPiper
Thank you for your most comprehensive reply at length. That was really helpful. Thank you. Unfortunately, as it turned out the orange spotty I did not win but the gunmetal hedgehog I did win. Thankfully, the spots are localised IF that is any consolation..

@mirwa
Thank you. I'll pass on the above but am waiting on a flute which I'm half regretting as I'm beginning to wonder if it was flood damaged. Will keep you posted.
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