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razreclipse
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I need help/opinions!

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Hi! I'm new to the site, and I must say that I should've joined sooner - there's so much great material! :) That being said, I'm completely confused about the direction I need to go in my fluting endeavors! A little bit of background first-I'm in college, and haven't played my flute on an everyday basis for about 2 years now, and I miss it. I was pretty good when I was playing constantly-13 first place solos (No seconds or thirds! Ha! I have to make myself sound good!). But I could be SOOO much better! I was good compared to everyone else in my high school and surrounding areas, but there are some AMAZING players my age (or below), and I want to get to another level. I'm going to get a flute teacher, and I want them to take me back to basics, because I was never that dedicated, and never really received the right kind of instruction. I can't even play Chaminade's Concertino at the right tempo, let alone do the double tounging! I don't have the dexterity in my fingers or my tounge right now to get to that next level-hopefully a good teacher can take me there, if I do my part. And I don't want to be a professional player, just a really good one, who could maybe, someday, join a low key community band/orchestra/symphony. So you're probably like, "What does this LONG post have to do with a new flute?" I thought knowing my goals and history would help with my flute issue.
I have a Gemeinhardt KG Special-it's about 8 years old, solid silver, silver plated keys, b foot, open hole, yada yada... it's been a trooper! In my area, Gemeinhardts were THE brand in flutes. If you had a Yamaha, or even worse, an Armstrong, you were sooo lame! Well, now that I've researched and such, I realize Gemeinhardts are lame. It stings to say, since I love my flute, and it's done so well for me with no problems (no COA in 5 years, and all it needs is like a $100 service to be perfect!). I'm really into looks, and my flute has the special pad cup design and GLP and I was in love at first site-I half-heartedly tried a Yamaha 481, and tossed that aside-stupid!!! Anyway, I'm wondering which of the following directions I should take:
1) Trade flute for "new" used flute (No brand new-used is the best bang for your buck!).
2) Upgrade Gemeinhardt HJ, and keep flute.
3) Keep flute, and just add a new crown (mine's plain), "professional" combo case, and maybe do some lip plate engraving.
Keeping my goals in mind, what's the best route? I'm not really into the whole Amadeus, Brio, diMedici, Azumi, etc. thing. I feel like I'm buying a poser (I know it's silly, but I want a true name brand). I have always heard Yamahas are the Lexus ES300 (reliable and nice) of the flute world, and varying opinions on Pearls. I can't spend a ton (in college!!!), and don't need to for what I'm trying to achieve. I do want sterling throughout, POINTED ARMS!!!, keys can be plated (what's the difference, besides durability and prestige?), B foot, gizmo, WG springs, INLINE G!!!! I hate offsets!!! I was thinking a used Yamaha 581, which is now the 684H. I can get a good used one for $1500, and with a trade in/sale, might be able to add engraving or LP plating/engraving (I now live in Indy, right neat Straubinger! Ha!) But I keep hearing about the "scale" of older flutes and their pitch problems, but I'm not good at acoustics anyway (hoping the teacher can train my ear as well). I think most 581s are at least within the last 15 years, right? And they seem like such a great value.
I do have a lot of sentimental reasons for keeping the Gemeinhardt, but I just desire a better flute. It would probably work well with a new headjoint, but it would still be a conservatory Gemeinhardt, not even a "professional" one! And there's such a stigma attached to the brand, too. I'm really flute shallow! Or I can just tweak a couple of things on it to refresh it without buying a headjoint (recommendations on possible HJs? I'd ask the teacher too of course. I'd like a gold riser at least, if not a solid/plated LP). Then there's my piccolo-it's a 4P, basic all plastic, won't be my main focus-should i just get a wood headjoint, leave it alone, or see if I can find a nice used 4W or 4WSSK? Gemeinhardt has pretty good piccolos, I've heard-more so than their flutes. The flute is my main concern is the flute. I don't wan't to spend more than $1,800, and I think for that I could get a good used flute. Let me know your opinion please! I'm sorry i wrote SO much-usually I'm good at making decisions, but the flute world has changed a lot in 8 years, and I'm overwhelmed! Thanks!

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Re: I need help/opinions!

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First of all, welcome to the board.

If you like your flute, and it works, why get rid of it? I would suggest keeping it at least till you feel like the instrument is holding you back. I would suggest finding a really good flute technician, and have it cleaned and adjusted. This alone may make a big difference. As far as your flute being a professional flute, or not, is subjective. Lots of professional musicians play on Gemeinhardts. As far as brands, you have probably read my opinions of that. I have never cared for "Hybred" flutes. If you are going to put a hand cut headjoint on an O.K. body, you may as well keep what you have and change out the headjoint!

Yamahas under the 500 series are dependable, but very over rated and over priced. I would never tell someone NOT to buy a Yamaha, but I would definitely point out different options. Pearl and Jupiters are good options. People have mixed views about them because they are Taiwan made, but they are great brands, with great mechanisms. I would pick my Pearl 665 over an Amadeus any day of the week! Even though the Amadeus has a better headjoint.

Changing out the headjoint is a good option. However, since you are getting back into playing, I would wait a little while before I would start choosing headjoints. A cleaning and adjustment(COA) will take you alot further at this point.

Finally, what is wrong with having more than one flute. Keep your Gemeinhardt, and just get something else if you wish. People who have more than one flute are not limited players....lol

Gemeinhardts get a bad wrap in flute circles, yet more flute players in the US have them than any other brand. The flutes may not be the ultimate, but they work. Any good player will sound good on a Gemmy. However if you suck, you will sound bad on everything!

Check out the FAQ also.

http://www.fluteland.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=2411

Phineas

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Post by vampav8trix »

I agree with Phineas.

Have your flute cleaned, oiled and adjusted.

Learn to play it again and get some instruction.

Work really hard on your embouchure. Getting a better headjoint is not going to help with your sound if you don't have a good embouchure. You might even sound worse. I know that when I got my Muramatsu, I had a really hard time with the notes above G3. They have much imporved over time.

When you and your instructor feel that you are ready for a better flute, he or she can help you pick one out.

You are lucky to live in Indy. There is a new flute shop in town and they have a wonderful selection of professional flutes. They have about anything that you can name that is not custom order. It is located in Paige's Music 5282 E 65th Street, Indianapolis, IN 46220 They might even know of some top notch instructors.

I personally wouldn't poo poo an Armstrong flute. They have better intonation than Gemeinhardts. But that is my personal opinion. When I was in school many years ago, it seems as though I was the only one who could get the high notes mostly in tune.

Good luck and enjoy your flute playing.

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Thanks for your opinions!!! I went into Indy Flute Shop to have my picc and flute adjusted and such (bought from Paige's, which houses the flute shop) and while I was there, I did a lot of playing. I tested out the whole range of Gemeinhardt headjoints on my flute, and noticed no difference whatsoever. I played a wood piccolo, which to me sounded exactly like my plastic one, so I thought I'd save money on the piccolo and spend more on the flute!!! I played a Pearl 765RBE, which I really liked - it just felt better than my Gemeinhardt. I'm sure since it was new it made a difference, but the keys felt so much nicer - my flute has the special key design, which I've decided isn't as ergonomic. My flute felt... stale or cheap next to the Pearl. Then I played a Yamaha 881, which I LOVED!!!! I absolutely loved it! Keys felt so nice, I really think I could tell a difference in how fast the mechanism was, and it just felt richer compared to mine. The keys were perfect, and I feel like I could make a quicker transition from a low f to high f and so on and so forth. And it had the EC headjoint, which I've always heard was one of the most preferred Yamaha headjoints. I also thought I could tell a difference in sound, which was hard to describe... like when you hear an amazing player, and they have like this edge or something to the sound... idk. I just felt like I played better on it. Then I played a $14,000 Miyazawa Boston Classic, which I loved too, and that had the most elongated, oval embouchure that I've ever seen, and I had no problems playing on it at all... all the flutes and headjoints I played on were vastly different, yet I couldn't tell a difference in effort needed to produce sound. Everyone talks about resistance this and that, but I couldn't tell! Anyway, I'm kind of getting over my flute now - I really want a Yamaha!!! At least an old 581 or a new 684H and above. I just think that Yamaha is the best brand for me - upgraded features, reliable, and a good reputation that won't, even though I'm not playing a handcrafted 900 series, make me feel inferior. I obviously want to get the instructor's opinion, but I really like the Yamahas!!! What are some thoughts on Yamahas and such? I could never afford a solid sterling instrument with b foot, french, pointed arms, and so on, in brands like Miyazawa and Powell and Muramatsu and such. Thanks!!!

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Post by vampav8trix »

I am glad that you went and played some flutes. I could spend all day in that flute shop.

You should work with a flute teacher for a while before you decide to make the big purchase. You might notice a difference the next time you try the flutes once you have started playing a lot again. Did you try the flutes with a tuner?

I have discovered that a Myazawa will not work for me. I play incredibly sharp on that instrument.

I too love the Yamaha 800 series flutes. They are wonderful.

I have a Muramatsu that I play on right now. I have considered possibly getting a Yamaha, but I am torn. I know that the next flute that I buy will have all the bells and whistles that I want.

Have a nice weekend.

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Post by atoriphile »

If you go for a used Yamaha 581, note that most of them have the CY headjoint, although it is hand-cut unlike the machine cut CY that comes with the student-level 481 and under.

I have an old 581 that I use as a backup flute (with the CY headjoint). I'm completely happy with it.

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Post by razreclipse »

Thanks for all the feedback! I'm starting to look at my different options for instruction and after deciding on that, I'll figure out the flute thing. After all, I just like the Yamaha because it's pretty and I THINK it's better sounding than my flute, but I'd rather have a professional instructor weigh in. It's just that everytime I see pointed arms, I fall in love!! Why are high end flutes so darn pretty?! Argh! But my flute is too, for that matter... I'll look at how nice of a flute I do have, not how nice of a flute I don't have! But the second that instructor even hints that I should upgrade - WATCH OUT! New flute for me! Thanks again!

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Post by anaawesomness »

do you quys know where i can get the bflat charomatic scale online.
and if you have any opinions for playing the flute in marchinq band?

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do you quys know where i can get the bflat charomatic scale online.
and if you have any opinions for playing the flute in marchinq band?
I don't understand your question.

A chromatic scale is a cromatic scale. Just start on Bb and go up or down.

As for marching band. Get a cheap student flute to march with. You will only ruin a nice flute out there.

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