Hi Brian: regarding your post of earlier today. The short answer is that I did win the bid in a kind of unusual sort of way and I assume the flute is on its way (hope so at any rate as I payed for it the same day I was notified). I received a "second chance" notification from ebay stating that I could purchase the flute for my bid and I did just that.
I appreciate your comments and I'm really anxious to give the flute a test toot. I'm certainly not in the same class and company that you and others that you mentioned are with respect to musicianship, training etc., but I will give my honest opinion and will be fair to the best of my ability. Besides, my flute teacher is a consummate professional and very well trained and I'm certain she will render an opinion. I'm ready!!!! Don.
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I have lost bids twice by $2.50. I am just going to have to wait and see what you think.Donald Morgan wrote:Daniel: I also just placed a bid on one of your flutes. In fact, I first learned about your new flutes on this board. So, like Phineas, if I win the bid, I will advise. By nature, I'm suspecious and one of the first thoughts that came into my mind was, "at those prices, they must be skimpping on something, I wonder what it is?" Your comments and dedication to your product was the deciding factor, even though I realize that in todays world people will say and do just about anything to sell their product. If I win I'll give a full report.
Cheers,
Don.
Phineas
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Phineas: It'll be my pleasure. Geez, like I said, I lost at first, but I guess the person I was bidding against in the last 30 sec., who actually won the bid, must have some how backed out of the bid leaving me the winner. BTW, that was my first time bidding and when I lost, I really felt bad, I mean it kicked me to the curb. 
Felt just like when I flunked my final exam in Philosophy 101. $2.50 twice, that's gotta leave a mark.
Cheers,
Don.
Felt just like when I flunked my final exam in Philosophy 101. $2.50 twice, that's gotta leave a mark.Cheers,
Don.
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Huh. Yea, outbid by "someone" at the very last second. Been there, done that. But then, for some odd reason, not long after the item was "won", the same item would be re-listed (by the same seller, again) for bidding. Just my opinion ..... but I don't get into last minute bidding wars any more because I am convinced the persons who bid against me before were ringers who were simply trying to get me to continue upping the bid so the seller would get more money. It's much too easy to get into the excitement of trying to win the bid and lose perspective, and the sellers know that. I'm not accusing anybody here, CE Winds, so don't think I"m flaming you -- I'm just venting about what happened to me. I now have a limit of what I will bid and don't allow myself to try to bid "just a little bit more" to try to win the item. I've found that most of the time if I let the item go, I'll be able to find it again and get it for less.
As Phineas says, just my $.02 USA. Bidders beware.
As Phineas says, just my $.02 USA. Bidders beware.
Missy
Why Be Normal????
Why Be Normal????
Hey Don,
What happened with you was that the high bid was only $5.00 higher than what your highest bid was, so not only did we feel the high bidder won at an acceptable price, your bid which was only $5 below was also acceptable for us to sell the item, so we dd what is called a "Second Chance Offer" on eBay, which basically is saying that we do have more of these items that we will sell at that price if the bidder wants it at their (personal) high bid.
So the high bidder did pay, but again since your bid was within the range of what we would sell the item for, and since we had a few of them available, we sent the second chance offer. So essentially you bought the item for $5.00 less than the winner.
It does also work if you do a no reserve auction and the reserve is not hit, but you decide to sell it for the high bid (like it was $10 from hitting the reserve or something like that) or if the original buyer backs out. Very useful tool for sellers on eBay.
I think your flute ships out today or tomorrow - Daniel is giving it a run through and polish, so it should be ready soon, if not already. We will keep in touch.
Brian
What happened with you was that the high bid was only $5.00 higher than what your highest bid was, so not only did we feel the high bidder won at an acceptable price, your bid which was only $5 below was also acceptable for us to sell the item, so we dd what is called a "Second Chance Offer" on eBay, which basically is saying that we do have more of these items that we will sell at that price if the bidder wants it at their (personal) high bid.
So the high bidder did pay, but again since your bid was within the range of what we would sell the item for, and since we had a few of them available, we sent the second chance offer. So essentially you bought the item for $5.00 less than the winner.
It does also work if you do a no reserve auction and the reserve is not hit, but you decide to sell it for the high bid (like it was $10 from hitting the reserve or something like that) or if the original buyer backs out. Very useful tool for sellers on eBay.
I think your flute ships out today or tomorrow - Daniel is giving it a run through and polish, so it should be ready soon, if not already. We will keep in touch.
Brian
Hey Bob,
Got what you are saying. Yes, we have these parts available when needed, and it is a great idea to make them accessible by technicians to purchase through our site. Since we just launched the new www.cewinds.com site we do have the capability to add a catalog of parts, and allow techs access to this section and purchase what we need. It would be a great feature for our site, and is a great suggestion. We can probably begin working on it sometime this fall.. it will probably be a huge undertaking, but in the end may be well worth it, and add some 'respectability' for us to sax techs.
Actually, last month in Colorado, we just launched a "School Rewards Program". It is still in early development stages, and we have only launched the program in Colorado, but are now going to allow ANYONE who purchases a CE Winds instrument to suggest their school for this program, where the school earns points that they can use to buy more CE Winds instruments, or even redeem for cash. Here is the preliminary launch of the program on our site: http://www.christopherelliottinc.com/CE ... _s/109.htm
It has been well thought out, and as we work with schools and instructors in Colorado, then in Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas California and Florida (all areas we are set up to launch the program) we will work out the kinks of the program to make it much more efficient and easy to use. There are some backend database things we are working out, and some of the logistics of how it is going to work across the board, but we feel it is a good start. Since we now offer Flutes to compliment our saxophones, and will soon offer trumpets and clarinets, then next year trombones and other brass instruments, we can basically fill an entire band with high quality affordable instruments, and teachers can use the credits towarsd what they need.
Check it out, give me some feedback (thank you so much already for taking the time that you have in making suggestions) and also read our latest blog, which gives a little more information regarding our company mission and vision: http://cewinds.blogspot.com/2010/08/mus ... s-and.html
Thanks and blessing!
Brian
CE Winds
www.cewinds.com
www.christopherelliottinc.com
Got what you are saying. Yes, we have these parts available when needed, and it is a great idea to make them accessible by technicians to purchase through our site. Since we just launched the new www.cewinds.com site we do have the capability to add a catalog of parts, and allow techs access to this section and purchase what we need. It would be a great feature for our site, and is a great suggestion. We can probably begin working on it sometime this fall.. it will probably be a huge undertaking, but in the end may be well worth it, and add some 'respectability' for us to sax techs.
Actually, last month in Colorado, we just launched a "School Rewards Program". It is still in early development stages, and we have only launched the program in Colorado, but are now going to allow ANYONE who purchases a CE Winds instrument to suggest their school for this program, where the school earns points that they can use to buy more CE Winds instruments, or even redeem for cash. Here is the preliminary launch of the program on our site: http://www.christopherelliottinc.com/CE ... _s/109.htm
It has been well thought out, and as we work with schools and instructors in Colorado, then in Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas California and Florida (all areas we are set up to launch the program) we will work out the kinks of the program to make it much more efficient and easy to use. There are some backend database things we are working out, and some of the logistics of how it is going to work across the board, but we feel it is a good start. Since we now offer Flutes to compliment our saxophones, and will soon offer trumpets and clarinets, then next year trombones and other brass instruments, we can basically fill an entire band with high quality affordable instruments, and teachers can use the credits towarsd what they need.
Check it out, give me some feedback (thank you so much already for taking the time that you have in making suggestions) and also read our latest blog, which gives a little more information regarding our company mission and vision: http://cewinds.blogspot.com/2010/08/mus ... s-and.html
Thanks and blessing!
Brian
CE Winds
www.cewinds.com
www.christopherelliottinc.com
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Donald Morgan
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Brian: thanks for the information regarding the bidding process, it's all new to me, and thank you for giving me the "second chance offer," I really appreciate it. In addition I would also like to thank you for the phone call of just a few minutes ago regarding the status of the flute. You folks at CE Winds are really responsive. I mention this on the board only because I would like others to know that when you say "the customer comes first," you really mean it. Thanks again for your help and interest. Don.
Question for Brian. What was the reasoning to go with Leather pads instead of felt pads? Are they also glued in in the same manner as sax pads?CE Winds wrote:
Check it out, give me some feedback (thank you so much already for taking the time that you have in making suggestions)
If glued, Is the Grommet on the open hole model ornamental, or built into the pad?
Thanks in Advance...
Joe B
MissyMissyHPhoenix wrote:Huh. Yea, outbid by "someone" at the very last second. Been there, done that. But then, for some odd reason, not long after the item was "won", the same item would be re-listed (by the same seller, again) for bidding. Just my opinion ..... but I don't get into last minute bidding wars any more because I am convinced the persons who bid against me before were ringers who were simply trying to get me to continue upping the bid so the seller would get more money. It's much too easy to get into the excitement of trying to win the bid and lose perspective, and the sellers know that. I'm not accusing anybody here, CE Winds, so don't think I"m flaming you -- I'm just venting about what happened to me. I now have a limit of what I will bid and don't allow myself to try to bid "just a little bit more" to try to win the item. I've found that most of the time if I let the item go, I'll be able to find it again and get it for less.
As Phineas says, just my $.02 USA. Bidders beware.
Well Missy, there is another one up for sale, and I just put a bid on it. I definitely would rather do a "Buy It Now" or a "Best Offer" thing rather than bid on things.
Brian.
If you have a hidden acceptable price, then why not start the minimum bidding at that price? I thought the whole idea about posting something for bid at "No Reserve" meant that ANY price that wins is acceptable. B
Dear Fluteland Readers regarding the CE Winds flutes,
As I go thru each one of these C.E. "Alpha Flutes" (as Brian and Mark refer to them) and prepare them for their eventual artist and the market, I am finding a good quality of construction. Also they're easier to work on compared to others, based on my flute repair experiences. (i.e. One example the Eb spring on the foot.) On 2 recent occasions I needed to be very cautious with the re-assembly due to very tightly fitting keys, but that's a good thing. All of the parts are precisely made and well constructed. Once re-assembled the last 2 flutes needed either very little or no re-adjustment to the key action. I have not had do much of anything to get the proper "first-touch" response. This has been an excellent experience. I am glad to be doing this for C.E. Winds, and my good friends Mark and Brian. Now I know how much a good modern flute SHOULD cost.
May God Continue to Bless You in Your Fine Work. Thanks!
As I go thru each one of these C.E. "Alpha Flutes" (as Brian and Mark refer to them) and prepare them for their eventual artist and the market, I am finding a good quality of construction. Also they're easier to work on compared to others, based on my flute repair experiences. (i.e. One example the Eb spring on the foot.) On 2 recent occasions I needed to be very cautious with the re-assembly due to very tightly fitting keys, but that's a good thing. All of the parts are precisely made and well constructed. Once re-assembled the last 2 flutes needed either very little or no re-adjustment to the key action. I have not had do much of anything to get the proper "first-touch" response. This has been an excellent experience. I am glad to be doing this for C.E. Winds, and my good friends Mark and Brian. Now I know how much a good modern flute SHOULD cost.
May God Continue to Bless You in Your Fine Work. Thanks!
New CE Winds flute are being sold on ebay at very low auction prices. These all play exceptionally well, and are full concert system flutes. An amazingly good deal!
Don got a nice CE Winds flute
Don,
The one I just went through came out quite nicely. It left my hands playing really well, great response and nice sounding, I hope you like it! Daniel
The one I just went through came out quite nicely. It left my hands playing really well, great response and nice sounding, I hope you like it! Daniel
New CE Winds flute are being sold on ebay at very low auction prices. These all play exceptionally well, and are full concert system flutes. An amazingly good deal!
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Daniel:
I certainly appreciate your efforts, talent and personal touch in preparing my flute. You know, it gives one renewed faith to encounter persons such as yourself, Brian and Mark who put so much into your work and the finished product.
With the attitudes and willingness to listen to others input, coupled with a genuine desire to make things right, I don't see how your efforts could possibly go unrewarded. I certainly wish your new venture into the flute world will be a huge success!!! As you know, I'm really looking forward to the new tooter. In my occupation, I have found that playing the music, and the study of music allows me to escape into a different time and place in my mind and the cares seem to disolve. I'm certain that this sounds a little strange and perhaps difficult for some to understand, but music keeps me grounded and connected to those things in life that have deep meaning and value for me; I really believe it makes me a better person. Sorry to be so philosophical and all, but your efforts and abilities will enrich my life; can't put a price tag on that!
Thanks again, Don.
I certainly appreciate your efforts, talent and personal touch in preparing my flute. You know, it gives one renewed faith to encounter persons such as yourself, Brian and Mark who put so much into your work and the finished product.
With the attitudes and willingness to listen to others input, coupled with a genuine desire to make things right, I don't see how your efforts could possibly go unrewarded. I certainly wish your new venture into the flute world will be a huge success!!! As you know, I'm really looking forward to the new tooter. In my occupation, I have found that playing the music, and the study of music allows me to escape into a different time and place in my mind and the cares seem to disolve. I'm certain that this sounds a little strange and perhaps difficult for some to understand, but music keeps me grounded and connected to those things in life that have deep meaning and value for me; I really believe it makes me a better person. Sorry to be so philosophical and all, but your efforts and abilities will enrich my life; can't put a price tag on that!
Thanks again, Don.
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Donald Morgan
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Received the flute yesterday, it looks really nice. I don't know what the USPS does to those boxes, but the one my flute was shipped in looked like it had been smoked. Pleased to report that no damage was done to the flute. It's my opinion that when a box is marked "fragile, musical instrument" it's just a target for the longest toss program.
I'm going to give the flute a good workout and play it for one week and then I'll give a report on my findings- please understand, I'm not a pro, but I do have an opinion. I spent some time last night taking some measurements. I can tell you that the pads seal well, no leaks that I found. The flute was well tuned up and it was "good to go" out of the box. It's beautiful. Will let you know soon how it plays- my teacher will give it a going over also and I'll report her conclusions; she is a professional with extensive training and lots of years playing a variety of flutes. Don.
I'm going to give the flute a good workout and play it for one week and then I'll give a report on my findings- please understand, I'm not a pro, but I do have an opinion. I spent some time last night taking some measurements. I can tell you that the pads seal well, no leaks that I found. The flute was well tuned up and it was "good to go" out of the box. It's beautiful. Will let you know soon how it plays- my teacher will give it a going over also and I'll report her conclusions; she is a professional with extensive training and lots of years playing a variety of flutes. Don.
Hey Phineas,
Well, in order to get the flutes into peoples hands, a no reserve auction is the way to go, sometimes they go low, sometimes they sell where you expect. When they hit a price where you are not losing money, then to sell another at that price is OK, just to get the flutes out in the public and get feedback. So, to answer, if it sold below the expected prices, that is OK because at least it gives a chance for someone else to play it, hopefully like it, then recommend it to someone else. We used to sell our altos and tenors for like $300 just to get them into the hands of players.. the cost of starting a brand and doing business.
@JButky,
I wasn't sure what you were referring to, then I read on the website it said the pads were leather... this was an assumption done by our web developer, and it was put on the site in error. (I had never heard of leather pads on a flute myself). Anyway, we corrected the verbiage on the site (this is a newly launched website) so thank you for catching that for us, giving us a chance to correct it.
The pads on the newest models are actually assembled with an Italian yellow skin Pisoni double bladder felt pad, applied normally.
Well, in order to get the flutes into peoples hands, a no reserve auction is the way to go, sometimes they go low, sometimes they sell where you expect. When they hit a price where you are not losing money, then to sell another at that price is OK, just to get the flutes out in the public and get feedback. So, to answer, if it sold below the expected prices, that is OK because at least it gives a chance for someone else to play it, hopefully like it, then recommend it to someone else. We used to sell our altos and tenors for like $300 just to get them into the hands of players.. the cost of starting a brand and doing business.
@JButky,
I wasn't sure what you were referring to, then I read on the website it said the pads were leather... this was an assumption done by our web developer, and it was put on the site in error. (I had never heard of leather pads on a flute myself). Anyway, we corrected the verbiage on the site (this is a newly launched website) so thank you for catching that for us, giving us a chance to correct it.
The pads on the newest models are actually assembled with an Italian yellow skin Pisoni double bladder felt pad, applied normally.