Juilliard and other Ivy League Schools in the Music Worl

[admin]

FlueDiddy,
Honesty is great and we do prefer it but it is not about what you say and your
opinons but how you say it so that you do not offend others or disrespect their
inteligence, such as for example: "Ok Admin you probably will want to remove
that as its philisophical and too deep for most people. " Many people have
complained about this so please note that this will be the last warning or we
will have to remove your posting privileges. Sincerely,

[fluteandcomputercountrybo]

HI EVERYBODY!
ok i think you need to worry more about yourself and not "We do know about what
10-1 girls to boys start playing flute.(again an estimate) Why do we end up with
almost every top job and every famous flute player being Male. With do respect
to women like Alexa Still and Ms Larsen, When you talk the greats Pahud, Galway,
Bennet and recent past Baker and Rampal." im not the next rumpal or anything
like that. i dont care how many flutist there are. im glad that people are
playing flute. i love it more then just about anything. YOU NEED TO WORRY MORE
ABOUT YOURSELF! not other people! but the other thing that bugs me is that you
act like people who dont go to a wonderful school like juliard are terrible. i
dont have the money to get into juliard! and i have to work hard for what little
i bring into my home! i practice 6 hours a day and i dont go to juliard does
that mean im a bad flutist??? ----bryan

[IDigAPony]

I do not
believe that Flutdiddi was saying that you have to go to Julliard, just the
opposite he was looking for proof from Courtney that going to Julliard a huge
benefit to match the price tag and difficulty getting in. Cant we all just get
along?

[fluteandcomputercountrybo]

no lol this
is the fun of these things! i love to argue. i learn things when i do.

[IDigAPony]

I see that
you just post things in an attempt to argue or in kind terms promote a vigorous
debate. But if you read the previous posts you will see no one said Julliard is
the end all or even necessarily the best choice. I understand why Courtney, who
appears to be a very talented and dedicated student would want to attend. I
would suggest that you attempt to find a way to work with the flute professor at
any music school/ university with a flute performance major, you are
considering. Lessons can be arranged, masterclasses are often available, maybe
even a summer camp. You may find you really like or dislike the methods or
personality of a teacher and that may make your decision far better for you than
the schools reputation.

[DrMalone]

Another
factor that has to be considered in this discussion (if it hasn't been
considered already) is the professor. Although Juilliard is a great school,
these days there are MANY great schools and many of the most-respected teachers
teach at several of them--not just one. Also it is important to remember that
great players come from all over the place. Although there is a large
contingency from the east coast (Boston, New York) there are some great players
that are coming out of Texas (North Texas, Rice U.) and other fine schools as
well. I guess I'm more of the notion that the flutist's first challenge is to
find a TEACHER with whom he or she is comfortable and under whom he or she
believes they can grow, develop and achieve their goals. After all, that teacher
will ultimately define the learning experience more than the name on the door of
the school.

[powayflute01]

Getting back
to the somewhat ignored topic of this discussion thread... I agree with
DrMalone; even though Juiliard is very well-known for churning out some very
fine students and having many well-respected teachers, I think that there are
great music schools in many locations other than Boston and New York, such as
Texas and Indiana. I think it is crucial to find a professor that is not only an
accomplished player and a good teacher, but whose personality is also compatible
with your own. I can say I have met a few very accomplished flautists that can
teach but have the WORST tempers and don't get along with their students at
all. I would just like to say to Courtney: thank you for all of your wonderful
input and I hope you never give up your dreams! And you know, it may be a fact
that there are few jobs in comparison to the [b]thousands[/b] of flute players
out there. But if no one tries to follow their dreams to get one of those few
spots, then music is just going to die out. I say go for your dreams and
everything will work out for you.[:)] And can we please try NOT to insult the
intellectual capacities of the memebers of this board and DO try to get along,
even if your opinions happen to differ?

[Cleartone]

to get back
to the actual topic, Courtney in the 70's when I first looked into higher
education there were only two schools in the USA that offered education in the
field I was interested in. Jazz Improv. I choose one of them because it was
offered to me for free as well as room and board. This was great for old ego,
but I happened to be one of only two true flutists. the other being a strictly
classical player. Altough many of my teachers then, are (or were) great jazz
musicians I had to go outside the school and take classical lessons from the
local symphony player. So, to answer your question, I was able to circumvent the
audition process, at least fro the school end of things. Now for the other
posts. The F-Diddy posts, if you get past his general bad attitude, he does
bring up some interesting things. but, if F-diddy is so negative about playing
the flute why doesn't he just quite. but under no circumstances should one just
give up because there is only one in a million chance, like Courtney said
someone's gotta win and I think the odds are better than playing the lottery
F-Diddy. Besides, learning music and playing music at a certain level(or any
level) can be more than rewarding and develop a lot of pride. It does seem to me
that the Fluteworld is a little stuffy however, with too many flutists
concentrating on "how it should be done" instead of other means of expression. I
believe This is because of the chair challenge situation and the politics of
competition. Courtney's story outlined this. There are many other ways to play
ya' know. As far as Julliard is concerned I have played with some graduates of
this school and found them to be no better than any other professional. the
thing that makes Julliard desirable is what Courtney touched upon, the name. All
these flutists have their resumes, and if Julliard appears on it then that looks
pretty impressive. It would probably help Courtney's chances of landing that
symphony job. Unfortunatley all the flutists out there have these "great"
resumes. I get quite bored with them. But, I understand their necessity. I have
one too but I don't like using it or dropping names like Beer brands. My view
is Just like life the more interesting your experiences vary the more you bring
to the people you play for and teach. there is more than just taking lessons
from the "right" teacher or auditioning for the "right" school. Courtney I know
you have probably dropped out of this one because of the ranting and raving, but
take care, and good luck. Try the Julliard one again. I think you are gonna make
it in there, if that is what you desire. Oh another thing to think about is, if
John Coltrane applied for Julliard during the time he was playing, 50's 60's
would he have made it? Should he have made it?? What school did he go to?? I
don't mean this in a negative way, just posing a musical question. Anyone care
to start a new thread on this one??

[powayflute01]

Does anybody
know anything about the San Francisco conservatory of music? I just realized
that I don't know anything at all about it...

[AG950Flute]

San Francisco
Conservatory.... What would you like to know? Teacher: Tim Day is phenomenal. An
amazing player and teacher. I studied with him several times, but attended
another school in San Francisco for a couple years and studied with a player in
the SF Symphony, who was equally as wonderful. I think the greatest part of the
flute teachers in SF are how supportive they are of each other. My old teacher
plays in the symphony with Tim Day's wife and the three of them are good
friends. Location: The conservatory is currently in the Sunset District of San
Francisco, which means it's not really close to downtown SF, but it's pretty
easy to get to downtown with transportation. The conservatory is about 2 miles
from the ocean and you can see the Golden Bridge on clear days. It's about 7
blocks from the Golden Gate Park. It's on the corner of 19th Avenue and Ortega.
I believe in September 2006 they are relocationg to downtown SF close to Davies
Symphony Hall where the symphony performs. I believe also at that time they will
have dorms on their campus probably similar to Juilliard's setup. Currently
students generally live in the Sunset District. I used to live about a mile from
the conservatory and one of my roommates attended the conservatory. Size: It's
a fairly small student body, so if you like a small environment it's perfect.
There's soo many opportunities in the city for music too. The SF Symphony is
incredible. They also have a youth orchestra which many of the conservatory
students play in. The age limit goes up to 20. The opera is across the street
from symphony hall and again they're great as well. There's another smaller
venue on the next block over from the opera house which houses other great
musical events. I saw Emmanuel Pahud perform there several years ago. Being in
San Francisco is also great. If you love a big city with lots of individuality
San Francisco is a great place. Plus, there's so much to do. I think it's
somewhat similar to NYC, but has a different feel to it. Some years seem better
to audition at the conservatory are better than others. This year there was one
opening for undergrad and one for grad, past years there have been several
openings. Anyway, if you want to know anything more about it, feel free to ask!!

[powayflute01]

Thanks for
the info! I had only heard of the SF conservatory a couple years ago and was
under the impression that it was a second-rate music school...goes to show you
how much I know.[:p] I've been to San Fran once and LOVED it-- the city is SO
awesome! I have a feeling I'll end up moving there in a couple of years, and I
think it might be the perfect place to study music. (My boyfriend went up to san
fran a couple weeks ago and went to two symphony concerts-- he said that the SF
symphony is just amazing and he fell in love with Davies Symphony Hall...)